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Sedans Lexus IS Acura TL vs Lexus IS 350
447 messages, Last post on May 30, 2007 at 9:42 AM
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Replying to: habitat1 (May 28, 2007 1:48 pm) By the way, I own a '05 M3 (stick) and a 997 Carrera S as well so nice try there with the "lexus customer thing". Anyways to prove my point, my friend owns a large BMW dealer in Florida and tells me the IS is eating away at 3 series marketshare. If car enthusiast's just drive manuals, than why DOES BMW make an automatic for the 335i, E46 M3 (yes SMG at its heart is not an all-out stick shift with a clutch), and M5???? Who is gonna take their $40k car plus and say "lets see if you can go around a slalom 2mph faster". I'll take a bit less driving dynamics anyday if it means having more luxury.
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Replying to: ggesq (May 28, 2007 1:53 pm) How unrealistic can it be that it's a fact that the IS does not take the TL or G seriously. Again, I have many friends in the luxury car business and one of them with BMW. On paper, he shows the stats. The TL or G are not making a big enough dent in the IS sales. The '05 and below IS300 was such a joke for Lexus that they went back "licked their wounds" and did their homework so they don't come back out and get embarrased again.
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Replying to: trackstarr (May 29, 2007 8:16 am) Maybe they should have done a little extra credit huh? http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=120903?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..3.*
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Replying to: trackstarr (May 29, 2007 7:59 am) If this doesn't further substantiate habitat's premise that you are a perfect customer for Lexus, I don't know what is. "If car enthusiast's just drive manuals, than why DOES BMW make an automatic for the 335i, E46 M3 (yes SMG at its heart is not an all-out stick shift with a clutch), and M5????" The point is and somebody correct me if I'm wrong- they are all available w/ a manual tranny. Period. |
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Replying to: ggesq (May 29, 2007 9:28 am) The new IS, IMO, is how Lexus defines Entry-Level Luxury Performance Sedan rather than just making another 3-series with the Lexus badge. Lexus will leave that task to Infiniti. 
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Replying to: trackstarr (May 29, 2007 7:59 am) Well then, take it from another 997 Carrera S owner that you are barking up the wrong tree if you are trying to convince anyone that the Lexus IS350 competes with the 335i for the "serious enthusiast". Even in the most recent comparison by Edmunds, where they "level the playing field" by castrating the 335i with a paddle shifted slushbox, it wins across the board. And, for those that really are serious enthusiasts, the 335i can be had with the proper 6-speed manual. In fairness, you don't see me here defending my 2004 TL 6-speed as an all out sport sedan. It is a well balanced, sportY, family sedan. But with FWD, it is never going to compete with the 3-series. Yet, IMO, with it's short throw 6-speed and sport suspension, it is more entertaining to drive with a little enthusaism than the auto-only IS350. If you are changing your tune and claiming that the IS350 might be taking sales away from the non-sport 335iA or the 328iA, perhaps. But that space is shared with the TL, G, C-class and a few others. There are a lot of competitors in the ELLPS space, but there is a pretty clear winner in the ELLPS segment. There is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring the former, just call a spade a spade. So tell me, why does someone with an M3 and 997 Carrera S feel so compelled to exhult the sporting virtues of the IS350? I already put 80% of my miles over the past 18 months on my 911 vs. the TL (13,500 vs. 3,000). I can't imagine ever driving an IS350 if I owned one. At least my TL with FWD gets me through the occasional winter snow, pouring rain or times when I need to carry 3+ adult passengers.
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Replying to: louiswei (May 29, 2007 3:44 am) The car also feels like it has even more hp with it on. Lexus says "no" it doesn't increase hp but then when I run the 1/4 mile with it on, it slows it down into mid-to-high 13's. Furthermore, when I dyno it with it turned off, it measures 268 at the wheels. With it on, 276. WTF? |
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Replying to: habitat1 (May 29, 2007 10:11 am)
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Replying to: trackstarr (May 29, 2007 3:40 pm) So, not to upset louiswie, but what specific 997 model do you have and why aren't you driving it 80% of the time like I am?
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Replying to: habitat1 (May 29, 2007 5:18 pm) And to answer your other question, I have a 997-S, stick, Black, PASM, Sport Chrono Pkg, etc.... I would love to drive it 120% of the time but I personally like to keep my favorite one for weekends or events. But don't get me wrong I still do take it out every-now and then on weekdays if I get the urge. Yes, its an awesome car and a wonderful daily-driver but I'll rack-up the miles on the M3 or IS instead. |
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