Last post on Dec 25, 2011 at 1:37 PM
You are in the Toyota Camry
What is this discussion about?
Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Sedan
#6 of 2813 Salesman1
Jul 31, 2000 (5:27 pm)
Is that when all your prospective buyers leave your dealership and go buy a Camry? Toyota now knows where all their sales come from.
Round Three? I thought we're in round fifteen by now. And still no signs of a decision. It's time for somebody to bite an ear off....
Jul 31, 2000 (5:28 pm)
i would bet that about 80% people that come on my lot and look at the accord have already looked at the camry or will (that is if i get them driving off in a new accord before they have a chance to look at the camry )
Jul 31, 2000 (5:34 pm)
i guess that you were not aware of the fact that as far as consumer purchases, the accord actually beat the camry last year. but camry does about 15% of their business with fleet sales which maked them the #1 last year.
and about your cocky remark, i tell most of my customers that come in and look at the accord first to go drive a camry or drive them in one that i have on my used lot to compare. and guess what, i dont care if they buy a toyota, because they are good buys, and i wont worry about the sales that i lost when i go to the bank with my comm.
#9 of 2813 Drivers Vehicle
Jul 31, 2000 (5:40 pm)
The V6 Accord will not be a drivers vehicle until it's available with a manual transmission. Period.
Jul 31, 2000 (5:42 pm)
that is a very valid point, that is the only thing about the accord i wish they would change. but since they came out with the v6 in the accord in 1995, it has never been an option.
Jul 31, 2000 (5:53 pm)
I do not agree. Sure the lack of a MT takes away a lot of driver interaction, and thus is a lot less fun to drive. Yet, the overall driving dynamics of the car is still sporty, thus making it still a driver's vehicle compared to other mid-sized sedans IMO.
You cannot say AT Ferrari 456 GT is not a driver's car. It is just not as sporty as a MT one.
Honda's never developed the manual tranny for this 3.0L V6 engine since it debuted back in 94, I believe. THe V6 engine was deployed specifically for the NA market only, cos NAmericans feel that a 4cyc sedan is NOT a serious car, regardless of what kind of output the 4 banger can produce. Market surveys also show that NAmerican drivers DO NOT like shifting for themselves. As a matter of fact, only 5% of Maxima's are sold with 5sp MT even though it is an option. 95% are sold with AT. Thus it was a business decision to not spend the $$ on developing the MT for the engine made specifically for NA.
European Accords and Japanese Accords only have 4 banger engines. The Accord Type R has Prelude's 2.2L DOHC VTEC 4 banger, which produces peak of 210hp, and is available with an accurate and precise MT. It is a seriously fun to drive sports sedan.
#12 of 2813 sales1
Jul 31, 2000 (5:56 pm)
It's probably due to engineering resources at Honda. I can't see it being manufacturing related. That said, the relatively small number of cars Honda would sell with this configuration would probably be at least as, if not more, expensive than the auto. cars. This due to the high fixed cost incurred when designing. Just my .02
Jul 31, 2000 (6:00 pm)
i agree, though the market would not be kind to a v6 manual in the accord, i would still like to see one and of course drive one.
#17-they came out with the v6 in '95.
we sell on average 70% 4cly and 30% v6's.
Jul 31, 2000 (6:04 pm)
I would refrain from bringing in Ferrari to this discussion. By no stretch of the imagination can Honda Accord V6 be compared to those hot italians. Also, the Italian mafia might be looking for you
The only question is then: How can Toyota offer a V6 camry with manual transmission? (I'm not suggesting that the Camry is a trye drivers car either) Bear in mind the Acuras of the 80's and early 90's with V6 and manual transmission.
Like I stated in my previous post, it probably has to do with engineering resources and associated business decisions.
However, I still don't think that the V6 Accord is a sporty car. Can't be with a slushbox.
Jul 31, 2000 (6:08 pm)
its not a sporty car, it is a more sportier sedan than the camry. thats the subject.