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#15679 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Feb 17, 2013 (4:46 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 16, 2013 4:38 pm)
Sweeny the Honda and Acura have different buyers, this is why someone wouldn't cross shop the Accord and TSX.

#15680 of 16087 Re: RLX [mlevine] by flightnurse

Feb 17, 2013 (4:50 pm)

Replying to: mlevine (Feb 17, 2013 8:33 am)
The E sedan comes with sports mode as standard. Front and rear tires diferent sizes which is a pain when replacing them
 
That makes it a sport sedan... This is why the E class has always done poorly when it's been compared with the mid size sedan of it's price range.

#15681 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Feb 18, 2013 (9:21 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 17, 2013 4:46 pm)
I would like to know why they have different buyers?
 
When I bought (leased) my first new car in 2000, I looked at the v6 accord coupe vs the integra gs-r - the rates at the time very close- integra being stick and was a little sportier won out.
 
If I was looking at the ilx or tsx I would look at the accord as well.

#15682 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [sweendogy] by m6user

Feb 18, 2013 (10:07 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 18, 2013 9:21 am)
Because his two neighbors didn't think to do it so he extrapulates that out to the entire U.S. population and considers it fact as usual.
 
I always look at similar models from the luxury brand versus mainstream brand. Sometimes, depending on inventory or market trends you can actually buy the luxury brand for almost the same price. Case in point was when my wife wanted a SUV and she had decided on a Pathfinder. I knew the QX4 was virtually the same thing but much nicer outfitted and was going away. We made a killer deal on the QX4 that was actually less than we could have bought the Pathfinder for.
 
I'm sure there are plenty of people that look at loaded Camrys versus ES, or Accord vs. TSX or even TL, or Fusion vs MKZ. Sometimes you can move up to the luxury division for very little money and have a better warranty, dealer experience, etc. Obviously, this won't always work but it's worth the effort to look. Ergo.....cross shopping.

#15683 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [m6user] by sweendogy

Feb 18, 2013 (2:37 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Feb 18, 2013 10:07 am)
Haha guess I was looking more then a neighbor and his one tsx experience.
If I was looking at Lincoln or even the new Jx Infiniti I def would look at the ford and the pathfinder, why not ?

#15684 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Feb 18, 2013 (4:04 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 18, 2013 9:21 am)
Sweeny, really you have no idea why they have different buyers. Basically the difference between Honda and Acura is that Acura is the upscale division or builder of luxury cars and Honda is builder of economy cars. Having the middle class buyer isn't looking at the Accord and TXS. Now if you can show me I am wrong, direct me to the data.

#15685 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [m6user] by flightnurse

Feb 18, 2013 (4:13 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Feb 18, 2013 10:07 am)
Because his two neighbors didn't think to do it so he extrapulates that out to the entire U.S. population and considers it fact as usual.
 
Well lets get the facts correct, they weren't neighbors, they were friends. They are the typical US buyer, they are not car enthuses. They do not understand the differences between a pathfinder and the now defunct QX4. What I think is interesting is, how you and sweeny try and use YOUR car buying experience and say that is the norm for car buyers.
 
Why do car magazines, only test Accords, Camry's, Altima, Malibus, Focus's and not add TSX, MKZ, ES350?

#15686 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Feb 18, 2013 (4:25 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 18, 2013 4:04 pm)
You are right - I don't know why - that's why I asked the question, which you were quick to answer with "because they don't" then you backed up that insight with your friend didn't cross shop it - and that was presented as fact. I don't have the data because - thus i asked the question- if I knew what the answer was I would not ask the question.
 
 You answered ". Basically the difference between Honda and Acura is that Acura is the upscale division or builder of luxury cars and Honda is builder of economy cars. Having the middle class buyer isn't looking at the Accord and TXS."
 
Why would honda offer a touring edition of that same accord that starts at 33400 buxs? Does that sound like economy? It's more then the tsx-
 
You and "backwards hat" guy (btw hes been mia)should read a magazine post 1995- new world.

#15687 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by m6user

Feb 18, 2013 (4:55 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 18, 2013 4:13 pm)
Too funny. All we are saying is that some people do crossshop like that based on our experience in response to your huge survey of a couple of friends and coming up with a definitive statement that nobody does.
 
I don't think being an "auto enthusiustt" puts anyone in a special category. Even people that don't live cars have brains and can recognise value.
 
I never even insinuated that most people crossshop those kinds of cars but I know that a lot do. It's silly to assume that just because a couple of friends don't do something that eveyone else in the country doesn't either. If you would say something like "IMO I don't think most people shop for cars that way based on a few of friends buying habits". Then it's clear you really don't know but you have an opnion. But, you rarely do that. You just make definitive statements based on huge assumptions.
 
I would agree that most people probably don't crossshop that way and that is one of the reasons that the car mags test cars that are recognised to be in the same category. However, I think another big reason is that car companies don't want their cars compared to economy cars or luxury cars respectively so that is probably one of the conditions that the car companies have when loaning a car for a comparo. In fact, I just read somewhere where Lincoln wouldn't provide a MKZ because the mag wanted to use it in a comparo with some mainstream cars. I read a lot of car sites so I just can't remember where I read that recently.
 
If you frequented a lot of the other Edmunds forums or owners forums of mainstream cars you would realize that a lot of people are comparing a Camry to ES etc.

#15688 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by tlong

Feb 18, 2013 (5:54 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 18, 2013 4:04 pm)
Sweeny, really you have no idea why they have different buyers. Basically the difference between Honda and Acura is that Acura is the upscale division or builder of luxury cars and Honda is builder of economy cars. Having the middle class buyer isn't looking at the Accord and TXS. Now if you can show me I am wrong, direct me to the data.
 
I'll jump in here. It's kind of silly to pretend that every buyer is the same. I know when I was looking at more compact premium sedans a number of years back, I looked at the Passat and the Audi A4. I also looked at the Accord, TL, and TSX a number of years ago. Some people who are very badge conscious won't do that. Others will not care about a badge as long as a vehicle has what they want. And what they want has a lot of variation, too.
 
Some people look at ELLPS for the "L"; some look more for the "P". Depending upon which factors are important, cross-shopping with the more "plebian" brands may or may not occur.
 
What I suspect is true is that there are *fewer* people who will cross shop. But not nobody. And any of us who pretends we know that percentage is just guessing.

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