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#15605 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [billyperksii] by flightnurse

Feb 05, 2013 (2:29 pm)

Replying to: billyperksii (Feb 05, 2013 7:30 am)
Yeah- try finding a base car on any dealer lot.
 
Phoenix Motor has 25 C250's that are under 39K... Half are 37.9K and under. I'm sure most have leather and 7 spd auto.
 
http://mercedesofphoenix.com/new-inventory?Make=Mercedes-Benz&Model=C-Class&sort- =Price%20asc
 
Granted they also have 56K C350 sport too... OUCH...

#15606 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [flightnurse] by billyperksii

Feb 05, 2013 (3:09 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 05, 2013 2:29 pm)
Good Luck to those purchasers of 37k C250- as another poster would say Happy Motoring.

#15607 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [flightnurse] by dino001

Feb 05, 2013 (3:19 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 05, 2013 2:29 pm)
It is impossible that those 37K-39K Benzes have leather. According to MBUSA.com, to add leather seats ($1750), you have add premium package ($2500), which means even without metallic color ($720), you have to add $4250 to sticker, i.e. price HAS TO cross 40 grand to get leather. The MBTex looks like leather, but it is not. Many dealers are just terrible in car descriptions on their websites. All they give you is price, colors and list of standard equipment, which they call "options", probably to confuse you. Or perhaps they don't undertand meaning of word "option". Assuming some low level secretary inputs the data, it is possible, I suppose. BMW, MB and Volvo dealers are worst when it comes to description of their stock. At least those from my neck of the woods. Surprisingly, Cadillac dealers show exact descriptions of their stock, including package/option codes and everything. The lower you go in brand, the better it gets. All Ford, Toyota, GM, websites are great when it comes to accurate stock description. Go figure.

#15608 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [dino001] by sweendogy

Feb 05, 2013 (4:33 pm)

Replying to: dino001 (Feb 05, 2013 3:19 pm)
So msrps on Germans are misleading because you dk what exactly is in the said car. Interesting. I just went to the acura website- and they have 5 different ilx models - they come as they come no real options to speak just dealer accessories - same with the TL (6) and Tsx(5). Btw if the new mb 1 series is Ellps then so is the ilx.
Now I'm not an acura fan in its current state of bland but will say if they are Ellps ( and to me that's debatable) they have pricing and packaging down.

#15609 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [dino001] by flightnurse

Feb 06, 2013 (1:04 pm)

Replying to: dino001 (Feb 05, 2013 3:19 pm)
Dino this is the description the dealer has for the less expensive C250 which is priced at $37,055. Is this internet price???
2013 C250 Sedan with Mars Red Exterior, Black MB-Tex Interior, Sport Package, 17'' 5-Twin Spoke Wheels, Becker MAP PILOT Navigation, Aluminum Trim, and Much More!!
 
Now we all know how dealers get people into the showroom, but if the description is correct, the car has sport package, but according to MBUSA webpage the sport package comes with 18" wheel and tires not 17..

#15610 of 16087 Relevant cars by tlong

Feb 06, 2013 (1:58 pm)

Do we need to change the list? I see Acura TL, TSX - if the TSX is the entry car, why is TL on the list? I see BMW 3 but not BMW 1. I see Caddy CTS but no ATS.

#15611 of 16087 Re: Relevant cars [tlong] by kirstie_h HOST

Feb 06, 2013 (2:07 pm)

Replying to: tlong (Feb 06, 2013 1:58 pm)
There's a limit to the number of vehicles we can list. The current list represents vehicles that people search for most often on our site (or search for on Google and end up in forums).

#15612 of 16087 b8 S4 vs G37x vs GS350 vs random by bunit23

Feb 06, 2013 (2:48 pm)

I have this going one another forum and thought I would bring this to a more universal sight too.
  
I will be purchasing a car in the near future and I am going for CPO. I really want an AWD, so the S4 is my first choice. I heard the Quattro is sick. The car will mostly be used for Road trips and Weekend driving. I have a older Nissan Maxima that is my daily driver. My main issue with the Audi is that most people state that it will be costly and frequent, in the future, and I plan on keeping the car for a long time. My 96 Maxima currently has 171k on it.
  
I live in San Antonio Tx and it can get pretty hot. Are there any reasons I should avoid the Audi besides costly repairs??? I am not a wrencher, but I am not afraid to dig in.
  
I am open to other cars too
  
Please give me suggestions!!!
  
So far the cars that caught my eyes are:
  
Infiniti G37x (looks cheap in most areas, but still a great ride)
  
Lexus GS350 (Never owned a Toyota and this one seems pretty nice)
  
Audi B8 S4 (so far has all the specs I want and I like to have cars I don't see on the road all the time)
  
***BMW 335xi is not on my radar because I see way too many BMW's out here. I don't want to join the club.***

#15613 of 16087 Re: b8 S4 vs G37x vs GS350 vs random [bunit23] by nyccarguy

Feb 06, 2013 (3:11 pm)

Replying to: bunit23 (Feb 06, 2013 2:48 pm)
AWD in Texas?

#15614 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [flightnurse] by dino001

Feb 06, 2013 (3:20 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 06, 2013 1:04 pm)
I don't know. All I saw on the website, if you took least expensive C250 starting at $35350, but not really because there is non-optional $905 manufacturer's "transportation charge", i.e. it REALLY starts at $36,255 MSRP (that is case of deceptive advertising, but it's a different story). Then any time you wanted to add leather, it required also a premium package, which in turn moved the price to 40+ grand. Your quoted car seems C250 Sport Sedan ($36,580) with standard 5-twin spoke wheels (for that line) and $475 worth of options, which ain't much - perhaps it is some snap-on navigation they mention. I do not think it is an internet There can be small discrepancies, as car prices change over the year. Definitely no leather - MB Tex (high quality polymer) is standard seat surface. No, this car does not have $2500 "sports package", it is C250 Sports Sedan. There is a difference, but the dealer probably doesn't know it (or pretends not to know it).
 
Edit: Adding Sports Package to a red C250 Sports Sedan jacks the price to 41 grand (you have to add premium 1 with it, too, total bundle $4800). I doubt dealer would advertise such car for 37 grand. Considering the wheels, it is simple case of misinformation/misdirection.

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