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#15591 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [graphicguy] by robr2

Feb 04, 2013 (10:07 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (Feb 04, 2013 10:03 am)
It's FWD biased so it'll be dismissed here....

#15592 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [robr2] by nyccarguy

Feb 04, 2013 (12:56 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Feb 04, 2013 10:07 am)
The problem I see with this CLA & every other car in this class is the 29,900 starting price. Add 4 matic, Navigation, Xenon Headlights, Distronic Cruise Control, sunroof, nice wheels... Like they'll have them loaded up on the auto show floors & in the showroom & $29,900 becomes $45K+ very quickly.

#15593 of 16087 More on the CLA by nyccarguy

Feb 04, 2013 (1:18 pm)

Turbo 4cyl
208 hp/258 lb ft torque
7 Speed Dual Clutch Automatic
 
How much does it weigh?
When are they going to put a "build your own CLA" on MBUSA's site?
 
I'll wait to judge until I see some (unbiased) write ups.

#15594 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [nyccarguy] by robr2

Feb 04, 2013 (2:01 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Feb 04, 2013 12:56 pm)
The problem I see with this CLA & every other car in this class is the 29,900 starting price. Add 4 matic, Navigation, Xenon Headlights, Distronic Cruise Control, sunroof, nice wheels... Like they'll have them loaded up on the auto show floors & in the showroom & $29,900 becomes $45K+ very quickly.$50K.
 
Much in the same way that a $35K 3 series of C class hits $50K.
 
The CLA - and soon the new 1 series and A3 - are designed to bring MB, BMW and Audi back a few years in price and size to where the next generation of buyers can afford them. I'll wager that more than 50% of the CLA will be FWD with MB TEX and be offered at $259 a month.

#15595 of 16087 Re: More on the CLA [nyccarguy] by robr2

Feb 04, 2013 (2:03 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Feb 04, 2013 1:18 pm)
When are they going to put a "build your own CLA" on MBUSA's site?
 
It's not going on sale in the US until September 2013. Check back in August.

#15596 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [nyccarguy] by ivan_99

Feb 04, 2013 (2:21 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Feb 04, 2013 12:56 pm)
The 29K is a bit misleading...but it is the actual "Starting At" price.
 
A "Typically Configured At" price would be more helpful but then it's a grey area anyway. One dealer would state "our" typically configured vehicles come with leather...their's don't.
 
I wager most people realize that a new Mercedes for 29K isn't a top of the line, loaded vehicle; a loaded Optima and Focus can top that price...
 
We recently purchased a Honda Crosstour and the MSRP was 33K (4 cyl); our sales price was substantially lower. The older I get the more expensive everything seems

#15597 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [robr2] by plekto

Feb 05, 2013 (12:52 am)

Replying to: robr2 (Feb 04, 2013 2:01 pm)
Add 4 matic, Navigation, Xenon Headlights, Distronic Cruise Control, sunroof, nice wheels...
 
Garbage that's 6K if it breaks, overpriced junk (seriously have you USED a Mercedes NAV vs a Garman?), mostly useless bling, what's wrong with normal cruise control?, terrarium that leaks eventually, and way way more pricey than better aftermarket rims.
 
The truth is, the car is best in its base configuration. If you add bling to a car like that, you're either so rich you don't care about the cost or you're a fool.

#15598 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [plekto] by michaell

Feb 05, 2013 (7:26 am)

Replying to: plekto (Feb 05, 2013 12:52 am)
If you add bling to a car like that, you're either so rich you don't care about the cost or you're a fool.
 
To each his (or her) own.
 
My wife's car (not an ELLPS) has Xenon's - living in an area where wildlife crosses the road frequently, we've found them to be much, much better than regular headlights.

#15599 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [plekto] by billyperksii

Feb 05, 2013 (7:30 am)

Replying to: plekto (Feb 05, 2013 12:52 am)
Yeah- try finding a base car on any dealer lot.
Me personally, I love the added creature comforts.

#15600 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [michaell] by sweendogy

Feb 05, 2013 (8:51 am)

Replying to: michaell (Feb 05, 2013 7:26 am)
Voice of reason- nice - ellps should have some lux features built into the standard price- Acura does a nice job with standard features - the Germans not so much-
 
Price matters in the segment - lets not be blind here people- a 4cly 3 series is close to 40k and it comes with pleather seats. The junk someone mentioned should be standard- otherwise you are just paying for a badge.

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