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#15309 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [habitat1] by kyfdx HOST

Dec 03, 2012 (7:50 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 03, 2012 6:52 pm)
0-60 might be the worst reason to pick one car over another...
 
I'd take a minimally-optioned Cayman S stick-shift over a Nissan GT-R, and enjoy myself for another second on the way to 60 (and, save $25K...)

#15310 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [habitat1] by sweendogy

Dec 03, 2012 (8:55 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 03, 2012 9:23 am)
Whatever happened to the down payment on that fisker ?
 
I would also agree the chainsaw is a manly tool- prob more so then a boxer –

#15311 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [sweendogy] by habitat1

Dec 04, 2012 (4:20 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Dec 03, 2012 8:55 pm)
Whatever happened to the down payment on that fisker ?
 
It was a Tesla, and they still have it while I am contemplating my options. Get weekly e-mails reminding me that it's time to build my Model S. I don't think it will happen.
 
I would also agree the chainsaw is a manly tool- prob more so then a boxer –
 
Boxers are either dogs or shorts. But, IMO the new Boxster S is a lot manlier than the old model. On the other hand, the new Cayman S has got my complete, nearly undivided, attention. Play the video in this teaser (hit overview and scroll down to "video"):
 
Porsche Cayman S

#15312 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [kyfdx] by habitat1

Dec 04, 2012 (4:32 am)

Replying to: kyfdx (Dec 03, 2012 7:50 pm)
0-60 might be the worst reason to pick one car over another... I'd take a minimally-optioned Cayman S stick-shift over a Nissan GT-R
 
I would agree. The new Cayman S is likely the best handling Porsche this side of a $400,000 Carrera GT. I am pretty much sold. Dealer here has offered me his first slot, to be delivered in April. Will likely pay full MSRP and maybe get a free Porsche logo hat thrown in. Ah well, I like a deal but I'd rather have this car.
 
And If I cut my brains out in a chainsaw accident and wake up wanting to turn the Cayman into a Nissan GT-R, that can be done. Simply get a turbo kit that takes it to 480hp and throw 2-3 large farm animals in the hatch to take the weight up from 2,900 lbs to 2+ tons. In which case, you, Billy, Sweeny and everyone else here has authority to shoot me and put me out of my misery.

#15313 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [kyfdx] by qbrozen

Dec 04, 2012 (9:06 am)

Replying to: kyfdx (Dec 03, 2012 7:50 pm)
0-60 might be the worst reason to pick one car over another...
 
Oh, come on. We can think of way worse reasons.
 
To be perfectly honest, though, acceleration is near the top of my comparison list, but its obviously not the only yardstick.

#15314 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [habitat1] by sweendogy

Dec 04, 2012 (6:27 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 04, 2012 4:32 am)
Can't argue the passion for driving and wanting a great handeling manual trans sports car. The Gtr is in another class being a super car- the boxters are real nice drivers car. Good luck on the purchase but do me a favor and never pay list.

#15315 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [sweendogy] by habitat1

Dec 05, 2012 (6:05 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Dec 04, 2012 6:27 pm)
The Gtr is in another class being a super car-
 
Don't want to get too far off track here, but have you ever driven a GT-R? I have and other than flooring the accelerator, there isn't much "super" about the experience for me. Not to be crude or sexist, but buying one would be like picking a wife or girlfriend based solely on maximum bust size. Without regard to the fact that you get an enormous waist and butt to go along with it. The GT-R is ugly outside, ugly inside and has a curb weight closer to a Porsche Cayenne than a Porsche Cayman. Yes, the performance numbers are good, but the two tons and AWD completely eliminate sense of visceral, nimble handling on public roads. "Super car" to me is a term to reserve for a GT-3 or 458.
 
I hope not to pay full MSRP on the Cayman S, but, as with real estate, it's better to get only a fair deal on a great car than a great deal on only a fair car.

#15316 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [habitat1] by sweendogy

Dec 05, 2012 (11:05 am)

Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 05, 2012 6:05 am)
I have not had the luxury to drive the worlds best Nissan. But in my eyes and the journalist it is- as this recent article will suggest
 
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-68906135/
 
As they say in big business - paying retail is for skers

#15317 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [sweendogy] by habitat1

Dec 05, 2012 (12:48 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Dec 05, 2012 11:05 am)
As they say in big business - paying retail is for skers
 
Well if you were lucky enough to be one of the few hundred buyers to pick up a brand new Ferrari 430 or 458 at the MSRP, you could have driven it for a year, sold it and bought a GT-R with the profit. Of course, that would get you quickly knocked off Ferrari's "A" list for future purchases. Me, that's not a list I'll soon - or ever - be on.
 
I hope this makes you almost as happy as me - I just put a deposit on a 2013/4 Cayman S at a discount off MSRP, and am #1 on their list for a customer ordered car. Porsche won't take the order for another few weeks and I won't get the car before April, but I think my shopping is over.
 
  
Regarding the GTR, if you must have 0-60 in under 3 seconds for $100k, my choice would be to buy a 2-3 year old pre-owned 911 Turbo S. The only thing that will get you to 60 quicker is a Bugatti. The Porsche is a little more refined for my tastes. And doesn't look like it was created by an uncooperative committee of Nissan designers that used the Plymouth Barracuda for inspiration. Plus, Porsche still believes in offering manual transmissions - an unfortunate rarity in the world of supercars.
 
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1206_nissan_gt_r_black_edition_vs_por- - - - sche_911_turbo_s_comparison/viewall.html

#15318 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [habitat1] by sweendogy

Dec 05, 2012 (12:58 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 05, 2012 12:48 pm)
Bit all over the place- the 911 Turbo prob a better car- but again it's 70k more. That's a huge chunk of change- and in terms of % of MsRP difference you could by a boxter as a daily driver if you wanted.
 
Congrats on the order and nice work paying less then sticker.

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