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Sedans Chevrolet Impala Hyundai Azera vs Toyota Avalon vs Ford 500 vs Chevrolet Impala
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 03, 2007 8:50 am) Charging a lot for new models keeps prices of old models up. Of course, there are the many billions in health care costs that Ford owes. Add to this higher current salaries,executive pay, retirement, etc. and you can see how hard it is for the Big Three to compete. Why do you think they build new plants in the anti-union South? But this does not negate the problem that the Big Three have not paid as much attention to quality as they should have.
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Replying to: scbob (Oct 03, 2007 10:17 am) overall probably a fair statement (Lexus excluded), but with a coupla caveats - first Toyota has done an admirable job maintaining what it could of its 'legendary ' reliability in spite of meeting rather insane (and unforecasted I believe) growths in demand and secondly most of the other mfgrs have improved to a point that that 'reliability' should only factor in a buying decision when that buyer is expecting 150k (or more) ( or 10 years) out of his/her purchase - very unusual these days. In short it is easy for Ford/GM to produce competitively reliable cars when they have a lot of time (and largely must spend that time because of those union contracts) and in fact those cars must use parts and pieces from yesteryear (financial considerations?) where real new model problems were generally addressed a long time ago. Had either company did what Toyota did do with the Avalon 3 years ago, I think there is a very strong possibility that this reliability gap that is shrinking would instead be widening. I broke a cardinal rule (never buy a truly new car in its first year of production) with the purchase of my 05 Av, have been rewarded with 60k troublefree miles, and would NEVER have even considered it with something other than a Honda, Toyota, and/or Nissan product. And that, more than any other reason, is why I along with many many others will spend a bit more money on cars made by those particular mfgrs.
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Replying to: cobrazera (Oct 03, 2007 3:18 am) I actually LIKE this idea (though not as a federal mandate). It's much easier to check your tire pressure on a routine basis this way. Now if they'd make it so I could push a button to air up the tires . . . 
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 03, 2007 2:11 pm) The current styling of Toyota Avalon and Lexus ES and GS just does not appeal to me. My Camry was excellent, but have a friend who had a 2003 Camry SE-problems with a part on the engine melting, sunroof "struts" breaking, etc. at about 40,000 miles and Toyota would not repair any of it. He got an Acura (3rd one). Check out Consumer Reports annual car issue, esp. the reliability of the Lexus GS. Will admit that when Toyota realized it was losing quality a year or two ago, they did slow down the assembly lines and increase inspections. Toyota has made great cars and comparively speaking still does, but the competition is heating up. |
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Replying to: barnstormer64 (Oct 06, 2007 7:26 am) Also, if the tires are rotated, it cancels the TPMS and you have to re-set it. Also, Fix-A-Flat will destroy the TPMS sensors. |
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Replying to: scbob (Oct 08, 2007 12:06 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 09, 2007 5:50 am)
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Replying to: scbob (Oct 08, 2007 12:06 pm) I've been all over the place researching what car to get. Should I get a "fun" car like the Infiniti G35, a totally practical car like one of the hybrids, or one that will suit the family well with comfort for long trips. I had never considered Hyundai products, but, due to a recent thread, went to test the Sonata, which I wasn't a big fan of, especially due to its interior design. However, the Azera piqued my interest. Liked the interior/exterior design much better. Went for a test drive and it's moved to the top of my list for a variety of reasons. It has room, is comfortable, has all the amenities that I might want, is reliable (so far in its early history), has the warranty, has plenty of power, and looks to my eyes to be quite attractive, especially with the black exterior/tan leather interior. The price is amazing. The dealer, knowing that I wouldn't be buying for a while, tried to tempt me with the Limited for about 23K, including destination, but not tax/license. When I look at other cars, for instance the Avalon or new Accord, I couldn't get nearly the car for that same amount. It's not ever close. Money isn't my only consideration, but, geez, I liked the ride in the Azera more than the Accord or the Avalon. It's almost a no brainer for me. The downsides were that the Azera seemed to recognize road irregularities more than even my present Accord. Hopefully, the 2008's will address this issue. I don't really want navigation or a moonroof, so the fact that these aren't incorporated into the car doesn't really bother me. Moonroofs are an option and navigation soon will be. I'd also like a CD changer rather than a single disc unit, but, at the price of the option, wouldn't do it, in that I listen primarily to talk radio. No doubt, my mind could waiver quite a bit as I get closer to actually buying, but, for now, the Azera heads my list. This from someone who wouldn't even consider a Hyundai product a few months ago.
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Replying to: scbob (Oct 13, 2007 1:56 pm) believe this to truly be the case in the specific example of the Toyota V6, but this is an engine which might possibly the best V6 out there at any price is a good example of what can be done with some R&D money - something Toyota has plenty of, and is seriously in short supply over at Ford/GM/Chrysler. |
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Replying to: keitha3 (Oct 14, 2007 7:41 am) That, is a diplomatic way of saying Azera has a lousy and noisy suspension system, which is my biggest compliant. Other than that, you'll be hard pressed to find the combination of features, warranty and price from ANY manufacturer, especially Honda/Toyota.
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