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#814 of 863 Re: Some numbers... [tjc78] by captain2 Oct 15, 2007 (11:21 am)
Replying to: tjc78 (Oct 15, 2007 9:51 am) As for SC why on earth wouldn't they disable it when testing these cars (it can be done with a crazy set of commands they generally do (if they can), as is apparent these days with those little asterisks in the skidpad/avoidance test results that indicate 'SC inhibited' in most of the publications. But do you really think that MT (in this case) is going to go thru the trouble of 533 (TIC estimate) brake/parking brake applications to turn it off on an Avalon when this procedure is not even in the owner's manual and Toyota plainly has no intention that we, the owners, should ever do such a thing? My point really was that if the Azera can achieve a higher speed on a skidpad it is because Hyundai had enough foresight to understand that there are times that perhaps SC/TRAC SHOULD be shutoff - but, these results are not indicative in any way of even comparable handling characteristics. The Azera does feel (and drive) the way the Buicks used to, from my perspective not a good thing. And, yep, these 'TV lawyers' will continue to get more and more out of hand if we allow them to continue to work on commission!   PS you forgot to mention those nasty cupholders that Toyota takes car to admonish us NOT to use for beverages (of any sort). Wish I had the yellow ink concession at wherever Toyota has its manuals printed!
#815 of 863 Re: Avalon [keitha3] by captain2 Oct 15, 2007 (11:43 am)
Replying to: keitha3 (Oct 15, 2007 11:05 am) hope they do as well, it shouldn't require much - sway bar resizing, firmer struts/shocks, stiffer springs (not necessarily all of the above)but would logically have no impact on price one way or the other. But, despite 33 year old protestations otherwise would also think the Azera is more likely to be viewed by its owners as the same boulevard cruiser that the Avalon owners view their cars. Replies to this message: keitha3 (Oct 15, 2007 12:44 pm) captain2 (Oct 16, 2007 5:24 am) jaymagic (Oct 16, 2007 9:48 am) and 1 more...
#816 of 863 Re: Avalon [captain2] by keitha3 Oct 15, 2007 (12:44 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Oct 15, 2007 11:43 am) Yes, Hyundai must change its public image.   Today, talker that I am, I told quite a few people how impressed I was with the Azera.   Most have a completely negative opinion of Hyundai's. They just perceive of it as a second rate car, not Yugo like, but not nearly in the same league as the Honda's, Toyota's, etc. of the automotive world.   The exception were Hyundai owners who all were positive about their cars. Their major complaints regarding Hyundai's were the quality of their paint jobs and the dismal resale value of Hyundai's.   I'm going to keep a very open mind and am glad I have to wait a while until my youngest daughter turns 16.   My mechanic/drag racer friend was very happy to hear that the Infiniti G35 was still one on my short list. But, for the time being, the Azera is at the top of the list, albeit a very different car. Replies to this message: captain2 (Oct 16, 2007 5:24 am) jaymagic (Oct 16, 2007 9:48 am) thegraduate (Oct 16, 2007 10:43 am)
#817 of 863 I like the ride! by cicerobill Oct 15, 2007 (4:54 pm)
Maybe I just have a dead butt or something, but I think my Azera rides great. It's soft, yes, but that is what I want and expect from a luxury style sedan. If I wanted a "sportier" ride, i would buy a sportier car. My wife has an Audi A4 and that car has terrific high speed handling and very responsive and tight cornering. But, the ride isn't as smoth and soft as the Azera. The Audi is a sportier car, ergo sportier handling.... makes sense, no?
#818 of 863 Re: Avalon [keitha3] by captain2 Oct 16, 2007 (5:24 am)
Replying to: keitha3 (Oct 15, 2007 12:44 pm) I don't think there is any question that Hyundai has changed - as evidenced by cars like the Azera (and upcoming Genesis) - getting that public image changed though is somewhat more difficult. The Azera as class competitive as it is still sells largely on price something that reflects negatively on resale values later. It would be better for Hyundai if they didn't have to discount the Azera so much to sell it - although I can't fathom a car world where a Korean built car is not perceived as 'cheap', I remember when the Toyotas of the 60s were indeed very 'cheap' cars- it took maybe 20 years for them to live down that rap - largely due to some real quality improvements in their products, a genuinely good understanding of the American car market (and buyer), and lastly the inabilities and indifferences of the American mfgrs. in the face of rising energy costs. I cannot remember though any time during this whole maturation process that Toyotas were ever perceived as 'price' or 'value' leaders, which may be crux of Hyundai's problem - they need to draw a line in the sand and do their best to keep their prices up! Replies to this message: jaymagic (Oct 16, 2007 9:48 am) thegraduate (Oct 16, 2007 10:43 am)
#819 of 863 Re: Avalon [captain2] by jaymagic Oct 16, 2007 (9:48 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Oct 16, 2007 5:24 am) LOL, You must have a short memory Captain, I can easily remember when Toyotas and Nissan/Datsun were "price" leaders against Fords, Chevy, Plymouth, Oldsmobile, etc. Have you forgotten the classic Toyota small HILUX p/u's versus the F-150'a, and the Celica's and Corolla's versus the Mustangs and Camaro's of the late 60's.   I think you might need to layoff that sake bottle. Those brain cells are tough to replace. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Oct 16, 2007 10:43 am)
#820 of 863 Re: Avalon [jaymagic] by thegraduate Oct 16, 2007 (10:43 am)
Replying to: jaymagic (Oct 16, 2007 9:48 am) and the Celica's and Corolla's versus the Mustangs and Camaro's of the late 60's.   I'm only 20, so call me ignorant, but was a Corolla made to compete with late 60s muscle cars? Those seem like two different classes of cars. I thought a Corolla would compete with the likes of a Chevette, etc...
#821 of 863 Uhh... by pat HOST Oct 16, 2007 (12:49 pm)
Maybe I fell asleep (entirely possible ) but I don't see where we're on topic in the recent posts here... Replies to this message: thegraduate (Oct 16, 2007 7:08 pm)
#822 of 863 Re: Uhh... [pat] by thegraduate Oct 16, 2007 (7:08 pm)
Replying to: pat (Oct 16, 2007 12:49 pm) Whoops. Sorry.
#823 of 863 the Impala - CRs worst by captain2 Oct 17, 2007 (6:26 am)
This in the newspaper today as apparently CR has released its rankings in multiple classes. Replies to this message: tjc78 (Oct 17, 2007 6:49 am) captain2 (Oct 17, 2007 1:44 pm)

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