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Hyundai Azera vs Toyota Avalon vs Ford 500 vs Chevrolet Impala

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Ford Five Hundred, Chevrolet Impala, Ford Taurus, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Avalon [dborth] by keitha3
Oct 14, 2007 (4:10 pm)
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Replying to: dborth (Oct 14, 2007 3:29 pm)

Yes, I was being diplomatic.
 
But I was surprised. On my test drive, it was like it was braille reading the road. Other than that, it seems so well thought out.
 
Do you know if they're doing anything to correct the problem?
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Re: Avalon [keitha3] by dborth
Oct 15, 2007 (3:16 am)
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Replying to: keitha3 (Oct 14, 2007 4:10 pm)

Re 804: The following is from a recent press release for '08 Azera. See below (suspension)
 
NEW EQUIPMENT HIGHLIGHTS FOR 2008
 
ˇ 17-inch alloy wheels now standard on GLS
ˇ Bodycolor rocker panels added to GLS
ˇ GLS Premium Package (includes leather heated front seats and sunroof)
ˇ Side mirror turn signal indicators standard on all Limited models
ˇ Power sunroof standard on all Limited models
ˇ InfinityŽ audio system standard on all Limited models
ˇ LG navigation system available on Limited trim level
ˇ Suspension enhanced for improved ride and handling
ˇ Azera SE discontinued
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Re: Avalon [dborth] by keitha3
Oct 15, 2007 (5:28 am)
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Replying to: dborth (Oct 15, 2007 3:16 am)

Hey, thanks.
 
Sounds good. Hopefully, it will live up to expectations. Like the part about improved handling as well, although I would expect it to be slight.
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Re: Avalon [keitha3] by captain2
Oct 15, 2007 (6:00 am)
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Replying to: keitha3 (Oct 14, 2007 4:10 pm)

as an Avalon Touring owner, it is the 'Buick' soft (and sloppy) suspension that would keep me from considering the Azera. It is like Hyundai was trying to outdo the Buicks except, of course, that even the new Buicks don't drive like the Buicks of the past. A mistake on Hyundai's part not to offer a 'Touring' or 'sports' trim.
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Azera sloppy?? NO by chrisa222
Oct 15, 2007 (6:14 am)
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I do not consider the Azera to have a "sloppy" suspension, ESPECIALLY compared to an Avalon. Have you guys read the reviews of these cars? Azera had faster slalom speed than Avalon. I will try to find the numbers and post them.
 
While Azera isn't a sports sedan, it definately is not a Buick. And this is coming from someone who is NOT in the Buick demographic (I am a 33 year old Male).
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Some numbers... by chrisa222
Oct 15, 2007 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: chrisa222 (Oct 15, 2007 6:14 am)

Avalon vs. Azera... 600-foot slalom Azera 63.8MPH, Avalon 61.9 MPH (Motor Trend)
 
Also from their test:
 
And when they do, our Touring-edition (more firmly suspended) Avalon is a better sport(ish) sedan than you'd think, though our clocks report it to be a half step behind the Passat and Azera in absolute slalom and skidpad pace. Like the Azera, it's perilously nose-heavy with a 61/39 front/rear weight distribution, but Toyota's stability system turns out to be a particularly cushy catcher's mitt, grabbing wayward chassis gyrations without a stinging rebuke back to the driver.
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Re: Azera sloppy?? NO [chrisa222] by captain2
Oct 15, 2007 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: chrisa222 (Oct 15, 2007 6:14 am)

IMO it is - just like the non-Touring trims of the Avalon. The best 2 reviews I can think of that put things in a proper perspective are the $30k sedans comparo in CD back in the summer of 05, and then a more up to date effort pitting the Azera, the Av Touring, and the Passat (by MT?) about a year later. All these comparos incidentally 'won' by the Avalon, along with CRs 'highest' rated sedan (06) at that time (in softer XLS trim). The Azera, as noted in that MT comparison, is indeed in the same zip code, and certainly can compare favorably if initial cost is a paramount consideration.
  
PS - drive a Lucerne - even the optioned out CXS ($40k) version I drove was 'tighter' than the Azera Ltd. I tried, and the Avalon Touring I own is not even on the same planet in that respect (it admittedly makes some 'ride' compromises )even though it too is no 'sports sedan' (except possibly in straight line performance).
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Re: Some numbers... [chrisa222] by captain2
Oct 15, 2007 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: chrisa222 (Oct 15, 2007 6:28 am)

we've been thru this before, stability control systems are no 'friend' to things like slalom speed tests and results- particularly when the system can not be effectively disabled as on Toyota/Lexus products so equipped. From a drivers perspective, a demerit on the Avalon's side for sure, but more a result of silly stability control 'interference' (or non-interference as the case may be) - doubt very seriously that these test speeds would be the same if both vehicles competed with the stability control system 'off', Toyota's (or Toyota's lawyers) preference for more 'conservative' yaw sensor settings?
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Re: Some numbers... [captain2] by tjc78
Oct 15, 2007 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 15, 2007 7:00 am)

There is absolutely no way that the Touring Avalon is not firmer than the Azera. My XLS is even a touch firmer from what I can remember from my test drives. The Touring Avalon was actually knocked for having too hard a ride in on of the comparison tests you mentioned.
 
As for SC why on earth wouldn't they disable it when testing these cars (it can be done with a crazy set of commands). As has been said before the system MUST kick in slightly before the actual physical limits of the cars. Having said that Toyota must have some of the most paranoid lawyers of all time. No switch to disable the TRAC/VSC, no scrolling radio data, the "I Agree" screen on the nav system the list goes on. Its OK with me though... the 2GR makes up for all that!
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Re: Avalon [captain2] by keitha3
Oct 15, 2007 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 15, 2007 6:00 am)

I agree, Captain. I, too, prefer a sportier suspension. I'm hoping that it will move that direction in 2008.

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