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#819 of 828 Re: 2004 Audi A4 vs. the other AWD's ..... [penguinhead] by ateixeira Jun 01, 2009 (12:12 pm)
Replying to: penguinhead (May 31, 2009 5:47 pm) I think you have a nice list of cars there, actually.   I've driven all of them at one point or another, last year I went to an Audi event at Summit Point and sampled the Bimmer, Benz, Audi, and a Lexus IS250 AWD.   The Benz was a bit soft, this being a 2008 or so model. For their AWD cars the suspension tuning is softer, perhaps they expect snowy climates call for different priorities, but I was disappointed.   The Lexus was softer than the Benz. Great interior, but boring compared to the others.   The Audi was new and a V6 model, but I hear great things about the 2.0FSI, so I would really encourage you to sample one of those.   The Bimmer and Audi went head to head, both were loads of fun. Tough call.   The G35 I drove on a different day and was not the AWD 'x' model. Really liked it, good all-arounder. I'd recommend those 3 for you to sample.   The Benz and Lexus only if you really want a softer, more comfy ride that wasn't as involving. If you're even searching in this thread, I sort of doubt that's the case.
#820 of 828 Re: 2004 Audi A4 vs. the other AWD's ..... [penguinhead] by waygrabow Jun 02, 2009 (6:45 pm)
Replying to: penguinhead (May 31, 2009 5:47 pm) We recently went looking to replace our 03 A4 1.8T quattro. All the cars we looked at would be good choices, depending on your priorities. MB C300 4matic- really liked the looks, smallish trunk, definitely a contender. BMW 328xi- excellent handling, not sure we like the runflat tires, small trunk. G35x- handles like a big car, big HP means less mpg, many nice features. Audi A4: we loved our 03 but decided to get a new one at 74,000 miles. Now we have an 09 A4 which is the same model, same interior color, same exterior color, similar turbo engine, but more spacious, more power (but same mpg), even better handling. My wife loves the Audi, as she did the 03, and they are great snow cars. I even put Blizzaks on it for her.
#821 of 828 Ferrari, Lamborghini take this corner at 65, let's try it in the EVO at 100 by chelentano Sep 07, 2009 (9:07 pm)
i thought it's pretty cool video of EVO10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4CfWdoSOTk&feature=fvhl   ...the famous old video of EVO8 vs. Lambo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ees2aZcDUn8&feature=channel   and lancer EVO8 vs audi s4 vs sti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Seuvqhrsjwo
#822 of 828 112 sedans by chelentano Sep 27, 2009 (11:48 am)
I am looking at CR performance charts for the 112 sedans tested (this includes both RWD and AWD). To me the sportiest sedan would have best 0-60 acceleration, and best handling: Avoidance Maneuver Max Speed. These are top ten in both categories. Note that only two: G and Evo made both acceleration and handling top3/top10 lists:   Acceleration 0-60   Avoidance Maneuver Max Speed Replies to this message: chelentano (Sep 27, 2009 11:54 am) ateixeira (Sep 29, 2009 10:10 am) chelentano (Sep 29, 2009 7:40 pm) ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 10:50 am) and 1 more...
#823 of 828 Re: 112 sedans [chelentano] by chelentano Sep 27, 2009 (11:54 am)
Replying to: chelentano (Sep 27, 2009 11:48 am) Other interesting points.   * The Infiniti G is highest performer overall - arguably Ultimate AWD Sports Sedan, based on CR testing anyway.    * Infiniti G is RWD, but AWD version was not tested and I assume it would have similar performance.   * EVO with its tiny 2L engine is behind of 8L Pontiac just a fraction of second.   * EVO MR with Twin Clutch transmission was not tested.   * Audi and BMW 3xx did not make both lists.   * Lexus IS, Elantra and Rio handle surprisingly well, better then BMW.
#824 of 828 Re: 112 sedans [chelentano] by ateixeira Sep 29, 2009 (10:10 am)
Replying to: chelentano (Sep 27, 2009 11:48 am) I wonder why it's not recommended?   What really stands out, to me, is that the Kia Rio sedan managed to make that list. It's probably the cheapest sedan in the world! Replies to this message: chelentano (Sep 29, 2009 7:40 pm) ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 10:50 am) chelentano (Oct 03, 2009 9:40 pm)
#825 of 828 Re: 112 sedans [ateixeira] by chelentano Sep 29, 2009 (7:40 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 29, 2009 10:10 am) >> I wonder why it's not recommended?   This numbers are just about driving fun and driving performance. Not recommended cars here either have reliability below average (audi, dodge, pontiac) or did not take (or did not pass) crash test (mitsubishi): crash-tests .   >> What really stands out, to me, is that the Kia Rio sedan managed to make that list. It's probably the cheapest sedan in the world!   It is in fact amazing that this ugly duck handles better then BMW, Mercedes C-class Sport and 100 other sedans:   Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 10:50 am) chelentano (Oct 03, 2009 9:40 pm)
#827 of 828 Re: 112 sedans [chelentano] by ateixeira Sep 30, 2009 (10:50 am)
Replying to: chelentano (Sep 29, 2009 7:40 pm) I wouldn't conclude it "handles better", this is just one single test, and I'm sure a narrow, light car tends to have an advantage over a heavier, wider one.   This is also largely a test of how intrusive (safe?) a stability control system is, which slows yours exit speed.   Still, it would be fun to own one of those and challenge a Bimmer in a slalom. Replies to this message: chelentano (Oct 03, 2009 9:40 pm)
#828 of 828 Re: 112 sedans [ateixeira] by chelentano Oct 03, 2009 (9:40 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 30, 2009 10:50 am) >>This is also largely a test of how intrusive (safe?) a stability control system is, which slows yours exit speed. Still, it would be fun to own one of those and challenge a Bimmer in a slalom.   It would be fun indeed. In this fun MT slalom test Lancer Evo 4-door sedan beats Corvette, Viper, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Benz:

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