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#28565 of 28574 Re: The topic is [bumpy]
Sep 04, 2007 (8:40 am)
Not wrong, since the brakes work, just disconcerting. I've heard it in Cadillacs, Chevrolets, and everything in between. Something about the way GM designed their brake systems produced a noise that sounds like a zombie moan when the brake pedal is released from a full stop. I've never heard anything like it from other makes.
Funny you'd mention that Bumpy, because I've noticed it, too. Mainly when I partially release the brake, such as inching up in a traffic jam. Seems like it's most noticeable in pickup trucks. I remember Granddad's '76 GMC crew cab making that noise, and my '85 Silverado does it too. My '76 LeMans does it a little bit. Can't remember if my '67 Catalina does it or not...I'll have to listen for it next time.
Do GM cars still make that noise? I guess I just got so used to it, especially since my '85 pickup is my main transportation now, that I just associate it with being "normal".
#28567 of 28574 Re: The topic is [bumpy]
Sep 04, 2007 (8:41 am)
"While the factories for Silverado and Sierra production are cutting back production and laying off excess personnel. Robbing Peter to pay Paul?"
I can't fault GM for this. This is market forces at work. People that want the crossover are going to buy one over a Silverado or Sierra whether it's produced by GM or someone else. Credit GM for meeting the demand for the crossover.
#28568 of 28574 Re: The topic is [imidazol97]
Sep 04, 2007 (8:44 am)
imidazol97: My qualification is that I've owned 9 GMs and had excellent service from each, so don't impeach my qualifications to be allowed to post here. My bar is set high, higher than the minimialization products I test drove from foreign brands in 87, 89, 93, 98, 03.
Of course Buicks last long. Any car that spends its time puttering around the suburbs and never exceeds 65 mph on the interstate SHOULD be rattle- and groan-free.
Some of us have higher standards, because we expect more from our cars.
#28569 of 28574 Re: I stand by my claim......... [rockylee]
Sep 04, 2007 (8:53 am)
As far as GM, goes they have a couple of home runs with the 08' CTS, Enclave, Acadia, Outlook. I think the 08'
Saab 9-3, will be a strong seller finally just like I think the new Malibu, will sell well.
You don't like the G8 or Lacross super?
#28570 of 28574 Re: The topic is [imidazol97]
Sep 04, 2007 (9:01 am)
If GM did design that noise out of the Lambdas and other clean-sheet vehicles, that would be progress of the good kind, and gets rid of one more barrier to convincing import buyers to consider their vehicles.
#28571 of 28574 Re: Warranty costs [gsemike]
Sep 04, 2007 (9:04 am)
"No. If you don't know what it means for a car to run beautifully, then you're not really in a position to offer commentary on cars. "
actually I disagree. I have been posting on Edmunds/carspace for about 9 years- even before I owned a car. Secondly I have attended numerous manufacturer/magazine events and have driven everything from a Malibu to an LS400. I think I am well qualified to comment on cars and I suspect I have driven more vehicles than you have.
I have no need to "lower the bar" because GM is making competitive vehicles. If you drive a current model you may agree. If you drive 6 year old beat up used SUVs you may not agree.
"A 10 year old car that runs beautifully starts easily, idles smoothly, accelerates without hesitation, shifts crisply, takes bumps with groans and creeks and drives straight without constant corrections or too much play in the steering."
The '98 Intrigue does all of that. Its been maintained and it works fine. My parents' old Chevy idled smoothly when it was 12 years old. My '92 Suburu? not quite, the revs would often jump at idle or the car would mysteriously idle 500rmp higher for no reason when you started the car only to lower after a minute.
#28572 of 28574 Re: The topic is [bumpy]
Sep 04, 2007 (9:07 am)
"If GM did design that noise out of the Lambdas and other clean-sheet vehicles, that would be progress of the good kind, and gets rid of one more barrier to convincing import buyers to consider their vehicles. '
Never noticed the noise on ANY of the GM vehicles I drove at autoshow in motion 3 years ago or any of the cadillacs I drove at cadillac events. My car doesnt do it either. Sorry, but this issue seems to be nonextistent on modern GM models. furthermore this issue doesnt seem to come up in reviews of GM products, even negative reviews. Do you really think all GM cars have groaning brakes from the factory?
#28574 of 28574 break time
by steve_ HOST
Sep 04, 2007 (9:13 am)
Seems like we haven't been discussing why GM is on the offensive for some time now and there's plenty of discussions here to address M&R questions like brake squealing or creaks. So we're going to take a breather in here.