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Gap Trap? by janda1
Jul 14, 2007 (7:46 am)
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I'm in process of buying 2007 Sentra SL $17,200 after 1K in rebates. My dilemma is that their finance guy tells me that one of the rebates is tied to financing thru Nissan.No problem great rates and I have great credit. He then states that in order to get the rebate I have to purchase a $599. Gap policy. I told him that the rebate doesn't say that and he says he will check with his district manager. The car is due in Monday. I like the idea of Gap insurance,I like the rebate but not the price of it. Does anyone know whether this rebate is really tied to obtaing a Gap policy? Nissan Corp keeps referring back to the Dealership for that answer.
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Re: Gap Trap? [janda1] by cccompson
Jul 14, 2007 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: janda1 (Jul 14, 2007 7:46 am)

The dealer's story about the GAP policy makes no sense. The mere fact that Nissan referred you back to the dealer tells you that it's not Nissan's requirement.
 
Is the Nissan financing rate really all that good? Tying the rebate to it suggests it may be a relatively high rate. You might do better overall by arranging financing elsewhere.
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Re: Best SUV Lease Deals! [aepheme] by cccompson
Jul 14, 2007 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: aepheme (Jul 13, 2007 6:30 am)

Just for comparison (from today's edition of The Columbus Dispatch):
 
'07 Volvo XC70 ($42,950 MSRP) - $399/Mo. for 24 months with $1399 at inception/10.5K miles per year and
 
'07 Volvo XC90 3.2 ($45,075 MSRP) - $449/Mo. for 24 months with $1499 at inception/10.5K miles per year.
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Re: Best SUV Lease Deals! [cccompson] by aepheme
Jul 14, 2007 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: cccompson (Jul 14, 2007 4:19 pm)

Thanks, cccompson! I'll definitely have to check those out -- they look like they might be comparable after adjusting to 12k mile / 0-down.
 
We stopped by a number of dealerships today and asked them if they could come close to the MSRP/$month ratio that Infiniti and BMW are offering ($42,000/$500) = 84...
 
They all gave a resounding NO! I was amazed that most couldn't even get close. Here are some examples:
 
Honda Pilot LX 4WD: $610/month
Honda Pilot EX 4WD: $670/month
Kia Sorento: NO 24month lease option
Audi / VW Dealership: Said they couldn't get close!
Jeep Dealership: The Same.
Mazda Dealership: The Same.
Subaru Dealership: The Same.
Chevrolet Dealership: The Same.
 
The only one that got moderately close was the:
 
Chrysler Pacifica AWD: $492/month ($36k vehicle)
 
And that's still as not as good! Any other suggestions out there? I'll have to check out the Volvo further...
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Re: Gap Trap? [janda1] by dtownfb
Jul 14, 2007 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: janda1 (Jul 14, 2007 7:46 am)

You do not need to buy Gap insurance to qualify for the rebate or the financing. You have a slimy financing guy who is simply trying to get as much money out of you as possible. If it was required by Nissan, it would have been spelled out in the rebate. Gap insurance is good if you have a car that depreciates quickly; you have a long term loan and you put very little to no money down (or have negative equity rolled into the loan).
 
Personally, I would pass on the $599 Gap insurance from your dealer. If you feel you need it, check with your insurance agent. Some insurance companies sell gap insurance. The nice thing is it's cheaper and you can cancel it once you are no longer upside down on the loan.
 
What are the terms of the loan and how much are you putting down?
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Re: Best SUV Lease Deals! [aepheme] by british_rover
Jul 14, 2007 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: aepheme (Jul 14, 2007 6:58 pm)

Never seen someone compare the Ratio of MSRP to lease payment before to shop cars.
 
You know that just means the MSRP is highly inflated or the residual is highly inflated.
 
A 40,000 dollar car using realistic residuals and money factors should lease for 700 something a month with no money down.
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Re: Best SUV Lease Deals! [british_rover] by aepheme
Jul 15, 2007 (5:00 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 14, 2007 7:03 pm)

I think that the Ratio of MSRP to Lease Payment is easily one of the best measures to shop for cars. I'm surprised it's not more widely used. It essentially answers the question:
 
"How much car am I getting for my payment?"
 
Alternatively, you could just look for the lowest Lease Payment, but that's not a great metric. In the following scenario:
 
BMW 3-series - $375/month
Ford Taurus - $350/month
 
The Taurus is cheaper... but not a "better deal". Most people would probably jump all over the BMW even though it's more expensive. That's where looking at the lease payment in relation to MSRP is valuable.
 
And -- in the majority of lease deals, you're looking for an inflated residual! Otherwise, it makes more sense for you to purchase the vehicle, finance it for 2-3 years, then sell it yourself.
 
(A better metric would be Edmund's TMV to Lease Payment, but that makes things complicated. MSRP is decently correlated with TMV.)
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Re: Best SUV Lease Deals! [aepheme] by cccompson
Jul 15, 2007 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: aepheme (Jul 15, 2007 5:00 am)

I agree, aepheme. MSRP/lease payment is the surest way to calculate lease value.
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Re: Best SUV Lease Deals! [cccompson] by aepheme
Jul 15, 2007 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: cccompson (Jul 15, 2007 6:43 am)

For those who are interested: I was curious how much over invoice cars are going (in terms of TMV) for in the JD Powers "Premium CUV" Category. There are 14 cars in that category (and 2 in the "compact premium" category). All listed below are 2007 AWD 6 cyl versions:
 
1. Lexus GX470 - 7.7%
2. BMW X5 - 7.2%
3. BMW X3 - 6.6%
4. Acura MDX - 5.7%
5. Audi Q7 - 3.3%
6. Acura RDX - 3.0%
7. Lexus RX350 - 2.3%
8. Lincoln MKX - 1.4%
9. Volvo XC90 - 1.3%
10. Volkswagen Touareg - 1.2%
11. Volvo XC70 - 1.1%
12. Infiniti FX35 - 0.3%
13. Mercedes ML350 - NEG 0.5%
14. Mercedes R350 - NEG 1.2%
15. Cadillac SRX - NEG 3.4%
16. Saab 9-7X - NEG 12.1%
 
There are a number of reasons why a car's market value may vary from the invoice. The manufacturer could have a systematic pattern of marking their cars too high. The market conditions could be such that specific models aren't selling as well as expected. Or the car could be ill received by the customer base and difficult to sell... Or maybe there's just a temporary discount to encourage early sales.
 
Anyway, it's interesting to see. More data!
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Re: Gap Trap? [dtownfb] by janda1
Jul 19, 2007 (10:32 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jul 14, 2007 7:03 pm)

Great advice. my insurance company charges $39.00 a year for GAp.
Slimy checked with his "District Manager" and stated we do not need to take the Gap and they will apply the rebate anyway. Very nice. The finance rate is .7 percent for 36 months. The price I got was for the sentra SL with mats 18,200 minus $1000.00 in rebates. After tax ($300), and Doc fees (bogus) of $394.50, registration and tag fees $49.00 and $39.00. Out the door for $17989.50
 
PS car arrived but my wife found a paint defect on the right rear pillar. Sales Manager says that he would not let us by the car with that problem. He is now looking for a new one for us. Should be in in three days. Do you thik I should haggle the Doc fee or am I getting overly greedy?

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