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#114 of 196 Re: 2007 Lincoln Navigator [gregg_vw]
Feb 11, 2007 (4:00 pm)
It's so strange. In 1998, the Navigator made its debut - to the hysterical laughing over at GM at this ridiculous "Town Truck" that Ford was putting out....oops, the damn thing is selling like Mustangs!!! Better get something out like it! So they tarted up a Tahoe (a little alliteration there for ya) and put it out as a 2000 Escalade. Surprise. The Cadillac truck sold too. No 2001 Escalade, but the 2002 which was all new outside, all old inside was an instant hit, and immediately took the attention away from Lincoln. No problem, Lincoln already had their 03 refresh in the can and brought out a revision with a FABULOUS and UNIQUE to that truck interior, and a little exterior change, with Independent Rear Suspension, powerfold third seat that were adult worthy, a flat rear deck, retracting running boards, air conditioned seats, and a 32 valve DOHC engine. Should have been a hit and taken the market back - it was a superior truck by virtue of design and features, though Cadillac threw in a larger engine, but it didn't, the exterior wasn't radical enough. Guys like me who liked the Lincoln DNA loved it, and bought it again. Mel Gibson bought it. Baseball players bought it. Rockstars and Rappers bought Escalades, and they got the media.
So, now Lincoln has made a lame attempt to be as radical as the Cadillac, just when the Cadillac made an attempt to "square up" and look more like the Lincoln/Expedition. ON features, I'd still buy the Lincoln, but based on appearance and the ridiculous dashboard, I'd have to buy a Lexus LX470. I won't buy the Cadillac until they understand how to make the rear seat fold flat into the floor, which shouldn't be such a problem since Ford showed the industry how to do it in 02, but GM is a slow learner.
It just amazes me how the vehicle that started the segment, once again, has been neglected into ignominity. Like the Taurus.
#115 of 196 Remington look...
Feb 12, 2007 (6:07 am)
... I like that... good chuckle this morning banker, thanks!
Now that I see more of these trucks on the road I still find myself trying to convince myself I like the new design. That's not a good thing for me.
I've sold myself on the new interior -- I actually like it -- but only the light beige with the light wood trim.
I'm in the market for a new vehicle in December of this year and with two little ones growing up fast and with trips to Disney World, etc. looming ever more often I'm leaning towards a big suv once again.
Navi -- all the features I want (except rearview camera -- coming in 2008 model???) but so-so on the looks.
Caddy -- Nice looks inside and out but old school third row and from I'm reading, perhaps a louder ride (I like it quiet).
LX 470 -- Solid truck all around -- BUT HORRENDOUS third row design and a little smallish for a "BIG" truck. A redesign is scheduled for later this year or early next. Still, I can imagine prices on those trucks will be sky high for at least a year.
My dark horse in all this is the Lexus LS460 (car) -- what a sweet ride!!! Perhaps I'll ditch my SUV itch and go for a car again. My current LS430 has been THE most pleasing, most solid car I've ever driven.
I really might jump for a monochrome package Navi though... I'm sure the prices are VERY competitive for these trucks.
I haven't seen a pic yet on the net of the monochrome package.... can anybody hook me up with a link?
#116 of 196 Re: Remington look... [gteach26]
Feb 13, 2007 (2:51 pm)
That may be the way to go, gteach - your logic makes sense. Hands down, the Navigator (and Ford generally) has the design down the best. Have you considered (shudder here) the Infinity QX-56? Has similar 3rd row seating copied from Ford, tarted up Armada interior, shamelessly decorated with plood, but still, it's nice. They haven't had the best reliability rating in the past, but that may have changed, I don't know, the French own Nissan now. It is just a thought - probably you won't like the looks any better. I don't. Why did I even bring that up???
#117 of 196 Re: Remington look... [nvbanker]
Feb 13, 2007 (3:22 pm)
Plood. I like that. Says what you meant in elegant shorthand.
The Infiniti is to Armada as Nav is to Expedition. Tarted up, not really redesigned, like the Pilot say, and its Acura cousin.
But at least the Infiniti has a more competitive engine. Of course, the 300 hp of the Nav ought to be enough, but with small sedans offering that now, maybe all the big pigs should offer more.
#118 of 196 Re: Remington look... [gregg_vw]
Feb 13, 2007 (4:51 pm)
au contrare, my young friend - the Navigator has a unique dash, and most of the interior to the Expedition - the QX just has plood inside of the Armada interior, straight from the Nissan parts bin.
There is a difference. Outside, you are correct.
#119 of 196 Re: Remington look... [nvbanker]
Feb 13, 2007 (5:32 pm)
Plood v. different shapes. I'll take unique interior PLUS plood.
#120 of 196 Re: Remington look... [gregg_vw]
Feb 13, 2007 (6:48 pm)
To frustrate you even further, gregg - that wood like substance in the Navigator, is actually some kind of wood. May not be of the quality you will fine in a fine Jaguar or Mercedes - but.....you get unique design plus wood....
#121 of 196 Re: Remington look... [nvbanker]
Feb 14, 2007 (5:00 am)
How about plood AND wood??
#122 of 196 Just figured it out....
Feb 14, 2007 (6:16 am)
"plood" is plastic wood!!! I finally fell out of the tree on that one -- I'm not hip to all the lingo yet!
To be honest, I never could tell the difference between real and fake wood trims.
The "quality" test I use is to tap on the dash and the control console -- if it sounds thick and substantial I am happy, if it sound hollow and plasticky I'm not so happy. Very unscientific, I know -- but it works for me.
Case in point -- I just took in my wife's 06 ML350 for service and got an 07 Buick Lucerene as a loaner -- nice wood trim all around (nice car, too)-- BUT one tap on the dash and you could tell the dash was cheaply built by the plasticky echo that resonated.
I tried this same "tap test" on the 07 Navigator's interior at a car show and I was VERY impressed. The way the switches clicked, trays opened, etc. also felt substantial and had a "quality" feel to them.
I had an 03 Navi that had the brushed aluminum console and a plastic flip down door that looked and felt cheap and flimsy to me. The overall interior was nice though.
On the Infiniti QX -- Banker you are 100% right on that one -- The front end of that car looks very strange to me. Also, the strange sloping roof line of that truck makes it seem like the back 3/4's of the truck was welded on as an afterthought. The interior also seems a little flimsy to me too. I'm not a big fan of the QX in it's current form.
#123 of 196 Re: Just figured it out.... [gteach26]
Feb 14, 2007 (7:45 am)
Plastic wood can look better than the real stuff sometimes...it is all the execution.
I had real wood trim in my Olds 98 Touring Sedan. You could have fooled me, except they mistakenly installed the plastic stuff from the regular 98 on one door, and it looked truly awful in contrast. But then the console cracked, and they replaced the whole thing. The new "real wood" was a completely different shade from the rest....
There are many reasons Olds is gone. That was one of the most comfortable and well-appointed cars I ever had, but totally unreliable. The secon worst car I ever owned, in fact, next to an evil Opel.
Anyway, there is much plood, wood, and both real and fake metal trim, available after market. Again, some of it is gruesome, both in design and fit, but with the well executed stuff, it is difficult to tell the difference between tree and oil-based veneers.