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Lincoln Navigator, SUV
#12 of 196 Re: Some pics for those who haven't seen [heyjewel]
Feb 09, 2006 (6:47 am)
You do make several good points!
I disagree with your about the MKX front end. I think it is one of the better parts of a blandly styled vehicle. If you squint, you can get a hint of a new Lincoln style grill used on the last several Lincoln concept vehicles (including the Aviator concept whose look and name were both dumped).
The new Lincoln front end was supposed to evoke the classic 60's Lincoln look. Why they dumbed it down so much, I don't know. Yes, here and on the 07 Navigator, it is starting to look more Ford egg-cratey and less like anything that says Lincoln. And I do think the rendition on the Navi is much worse than on the MKX. I do hope like akirby that the thing looks better in real life. It could happen.
But oh my, why would Lincoln take its most expensive and one of its most well-received vehicles down this road of neglect? Yes, I know it has a 6 speed now and a frame stiffening, BUT (obviously I still can't get over this) THEY ARE STILL USING THE 1998 BODY FOR PITY'S SAKE in this latest revamp; therefore the front and rear re-do's (afterthoughts?) don't look like they fit. The auto/truck world is moving way too fast now for such half-hearted efforts. This was a flagship and cash cow for Lincoln in the not-to-distant past. I am so hoping this thing looks better up close and in the metal.
Feb 09, 2006 (9:10 am)
At least they have done something.
Compare the huevos it took to make this compared to the Ford 500 or even the style-less Aviator.
I commend them for stepping out a bit. I agree, they should have disguised the greenhouse a bit.
Let's just hope it's not named MKNXL or something like that.
I actually hope they give the Mark LT a similar update.
#16 of 196 Is it more or is..
Feb 10, 2006 (4:43 am)
the Lincoln Navigator going retro?
From the grille to the seat design it looks like a 70's Chrysler or something to me. Whoever designed that chicken wire of a grille should be fired on the spot. I used to kinda like this truck!
#17 of 196 And another nitpick
Feb 10, 2006 (8:02 am)
When is Ford gonna learn to put covers over those gaping cupholder holes...at least on their upmarket vehicles??
#19 of 196 Navi-GRATE-or frontend - Total Disaster!
Feb 10, 2006 (6:41 pm)
I've owned (2) Navi's in the past 5-years and was seriously looking forward to the '07 as I live in Chicago.
But this frontend is a total deal killer for me and several Navi-friends. We all hate it!
Ford made this same mistake when they "revolutionized" the Taurus redesign in the mid '90's. Instead of an evolutionary redesign, like Toyota and Honda do with their vehicles, Ford oval designed the Taurus and alienated its loyal customers and the rest, as they say, is history.
Ford just did an "emergency" redesign and name change of the Zephyr-MKZ, only 4-6 months on the market. I pray they delay the launch of this Navi-GRATE-or and integrate the MKS grill that would be much more evolutionary.
Bottomline - There is a total lack of long-term strategic planning in Detroit and the primary reason they will not beat Toyota, who has a 25+ year strategic plan. Just look at the new Toyota/Lexus designs, how they are "evolutionary" with continuous refinement on a planned 4-5 year redesign schedule for most vehicles (ex. Camry, ES350, RX, Avalon, etc.) This is the lesson Detroit must learn before its too late, or is it for the Navi-GRATE-or?
#20 of 196 Re: Navi-GRATE-or frontend - Total Disaster! [grega]
Feb 11, 2006 (7:54 am)
I agree with you on the Navigrate, but I don't think "evolutionary" is necessarily the way for Ford to go. Toyota can go with boring, because the underlying appliance is so good. However, Ford's greatest successes are often not evolutionary. Think 61 Continental, the original Mustang, the 1979 Mustang re-design after the forgettable Mustang II, the original Explorer, the 1988 Continental (a successful design for its time), the 1990 Town Car, and the 1997 F150.
The original Taurus was revolutionary--but then Ford waited, as usual, too long to redesign it and then came up with the 1992 evolutionary design. Granted, it sold well for a couple years. The 1996 abomination just showed they had no understanding why the initial car sold so well. You need new or even revolutionary styling--not just weird or silly. They fixed the roof and tail end in 2000, but unfortunately stuck with the rest of the mess.
Be careful of what you ask for: Ford's idea of "evolutionary" is to hang onto the same body and change the front, rear and interior every few years. These cautious re-makes fool some people, but they do not spur sales very much.
Ford needs good, integrated designs across the board--not rehashes. If heritage design values can be successfully incorporated, so much the better (e.g., Mustang, GT, the 2002 Continental concept). But clumsy attempts to be "inspired" by past Lincoln design can result in that food grater 2007 Navi grill grafted onto the previous design. It just makes you wonder why they pay for top designers when they will not let them do their best work.
#21 of 196 Re: Some pics for those who haven't seen [dc661]
Feb 11, 2006 (11:44 am)
I have to say that this is the ugliest front end that I have ever seen on a car. The funny thing is that 2003-2006 Navigator front end looked very nice and classy. Who was the designer who came up with this?
The interior looks ok, not much different from the current version. The only thing that I don't like are the square gauges. They looked bad in the 70's and they still look bad now. And where is the fuel gauge. I can only see the tach and the speedo, but where are the rest of the gauges. Are we back to idiot lights again? Even the wooden steering wheel looks funny with 2 wood inserts in the middle.
The 2007 Expedition looks much better both inside and out. I think that Lincoln is really loosing it now. First they come up with Zephyr and four months later they redesign it and rename it to MKZ. Who ever heard of a company changing a car after 4 months? Its insane. Now the Uglied Up Navigator.