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SUVs Lincoln Navigator 2007 and newer Lincoln Navigators
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Lincoln's fullsize SUV was last redesigned in 2003 with the Ford Expedition. It is being redesigned again for 2007 along with the Ford Expedition to make them competitive with GM's new fullsize SUVs. I think Lincoln ruined the look of the Navigator. I have always loved how the 2003-2006 generation looked like, but this one is ugly. The front looks like an Explorer and the back like a Zephyr, or should I say MKZ? And come Ford, give this thing some power. 300hp isnt enough these days. Look at the new Escalade, it has 403hp. At least the interior looks very nice and classy. Post pictures, prices and driving impressions here. Lol, I made my username navigator89 because I like the navigator so much. With this new one out, I should probably change it to escalade89.  Read more and check out the pictures at Inside Line. Wait a few more days and we'll see it at the Chicago Auto Show. |
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Replying to: navigator89 (Feb 07, 2006 7:03 pm) Is this the thread about the new Lincoln MKN? Will it include the 'L' version? I guess the MKNL? Oh, man, this is too much. All right, to be fair, it's pronounced 'Mark N L'. ... Isn't it? :>) BTW, I like the look of the tail. Although perhaps they didn't have to use *exactly* the same lights as the Zephyr. Er Z. Ooops, is that Carlos Ghosn's lawyer on the phone to Lincoln now? Yeah, the tail's nice, the interior looks at least as nice as my '04, though I *think* I like the dark wood in mine better than this light wood. But overall it's nice inside. The grille is another thing. The grille is SO bad that I think it would keep me from buying it. Apparently, I've heard, the "thinking" at Lincoln, assuming some actually occurs there, is that SUV grilles should now have the 'eggcrate' look (but I thought that was the look of FORD SUVs, see Expedition, Explorer Etc) while the cars will keep the waterfall grille. Now, how EXACTLY does this change build brand recognition? After all, that's what they're saying is the reason for the change to the MK_ names - SO the names will be so stupid, the owner will call the car a Lincoln. Geez, the front end of my '04 Navigator IS Lincoln if Lincoln is anything. BIG BOLD BEAUTIFUL WATERFALL grille. This thing I see in these pictures from the front is not a Lincoln. It looks like a Chevy, with the chrome extending into the headlights. It looks like a RAM with the HUGE chrome piece in the center of the hood. Gawd it almost looks like a bug shied! The overall look is even worse than the Avia er ... MK X (Mark Ten?) and that reminds me of the AMC Spirit. Hey, I'm sorry but that nose - even Barbra couldn't live with THAT nose.
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Replying to: heyjewel (Feb 07, 2006 7:48 pm) I don't find the new front end any more offensive than the old one, which I had gotten used to as saying "Lincoln truck." However, the 2007 look is much more angular and different than the 2003 revision had been. As I have said before, the Navi deserves a NEW BODY after having sported this one since 1998. The new front end underscores that...it looks disjointed to me grafted onto the old body styling. Re-using the 1998 body in 2003 worked with the front and rear changes that year. IMHO, this does not work as well. The 1998 body styling was nice, but it should be gone by now. It is old, and no longer up to the competition. |
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Replying to: heyjewel (Feb 07, 2006 7:48 pm) I cant stand the new tail. The Zephyr lights look horrible. My pick in this segment is now officially the Cadillac Escalade. |
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Replying to: dc661 (Feb 08, 2006 12:00 pm) Maybe that Mark LT thing is screwing them up. MKLT??? MKL? Is that the pickup or the extended Navi? MKT? MKN? How come none of the letters indicate anything like size or position in the line-up or whether it is a car or a truck? Why is EVERYTHING in the line-up a "Mark" now? This Navigator sure doesn't look nearly all-of-piece as the 2007 Expedition does. At least the new front clip of the Ford sort of goes with the old body. Trowel on the chrome, Lincoln...see if that will work. Meanwhile, Cadillac has the sales lead, an attractive ALL NEW body and 403 hp. Makes me cry, because I have always liked Lincolns better. Until this century, anyway.
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Feb 08, 2006 5:05 pm) Yeah, well they swore up and down a month ago when they announced the MKS and MKX that the Zephyr would remain "Zephyr". But that changed this week. This whole naming thing is pathetic. And imagine the cost of it. This is exactly what happens when a company, any kind of company, becomes defocussed and begins flailing around trying to right a sinking ship with voodoo and mirrors instead of staying the course and building on what you've got that is good. My wife used to work in marketing for a (then) well known software company. They became complacent and competitors began to eat their lunch. Then the flailing began: name changes, advertising campaigns, new glossies mailed out, new focus on giving the customer what they want under another new name. Etc etc. Now, 10 to 15 years later the company is all but gone. They are now famous for simply filing lawsuits trying to get others to pay for name and licensing fees. I think that Lincoln is well down this road. I speak as someone who owns 2 Lincolns and is quite pleased with both of them, though I am fully aware that they are not perfect. I also own 2 Fords and each of these is a good, reliable vehicle. But I do not like what I see in the "Way Forward". Briefly, what has Lincoln donw in the last 7 or so years? 1) Dropped the Mark VIII coupe. Replaced with nothing. 2) Dropped the Continental. Replaced with nothing. 3) Dropped a fine (IMHO) tag line - "American Luxury" - along with "What a luxury ___ should be." and then dreamed up and dropped several other lamer and lamer 'slogans' like "" and "" and now "Reach Higher". (Sorry, for the life of me I can't recall these lame slogans though I commented on how bad they were in the past. I guess they were forgettable as well as bad). 4) In a dramatic coup, released the LS, which became Motor Trend's Car of the Year and was even praised by the "unbiased" testers at Consumer Reports as "the best American Sedan they ever tested". This well-made sedan shared it's platform with the Jaguar S-Type and, while it's appearance both in and out won no awards, it's performance on the track was the equal of the standard - BMW. 5) Let the LS languish for 7 years, pausing only to make some much-needed interior improvements and add some HP but cancel the good will this generated with enthusiasts by discontinuing the 5speed Getrag transmission option in the car's 4th year. 6) Cancelled the LS, the best Lincoln in many years after letting in languish. Complaining it was too expensive to build. (Comment - perhaps if they had given it an interior and exterior truly worthy of a luxury car they could have charged premium prices for it.) 7) Decided to compete in the 'mid-size' SUV market. To do so, took the blueprints for the Navigator, inside and out and put them in the copier set to 'Reduce' until they fit the Explorer platform. Rushed the vehicle out the door and it was perhaps the most trouble-prone Lincoln in a long time. 8) After 3 years, cancelled the Aviator. 9) Began working on the next-gen Aviator alongside the Ford Edge (which does not, at least I presume it does not, replace the Explorer). 10) Began working on a replacement for the LS. Called the Zephyr. Released the Zephyr before it was ready. The car is panned by many as underpowered and not competitive in the entry luxo setting. Notably the car has a 6 speed transmission, but the driver has NO control over it's operation. A FWD appliance car if there ever was one. 11) Someone (he or she should be hunted down and neutered) convinced Lincoln that no one knows what a Lincoln is because people call their cars 'Town Cars' or 'Navigators' etc, so to build 'Brand Image', Lincoln should name their cars "MK _" where "_" is some letter which seemingly stands for nothing. And they BOUGHT it. 12) Announced in Detroit in Jan 2006 that all Lincolns from now on would be named this way and showed the "MK S" which some say will be the Lincoln flagship sedan but others say there is another even bigger car in the works to fill this role, and the "MK X" which they said is what the vehicle they were calling the Aviator will now be called. Oh, but wait, they also said the Zephyr will be the exception and will continue to be called the Zephyr. 13) The MK S and MK X received little to no positive press at the show. (Comment - personally I like the MK S, but would have preferred something which builds on Lincoln cachet rather than tries to copy Acura, Lexus, Audi etc and didn't have such a feminized interior; but I think the front end of the MK X is butt ugly.) 14) Someone convinced Lincoln that their SUVs should drop the familiar waterfall grille and pick up chromized egg-crate grilles (which is what the Ford SUVs have sported for years). Thus the MK X (which looks more like a 70's AMC Spirit than anything else) and ... 15) Showed the 2007 Navigator - hey wait a minute - "Navigator"? What happened to "MK _"? No word on that yet but the vehicle shown has Navigator badging. Unfortunately, it also has an egg-crate grille which IMHO is about the ugliest horrendous-looking front end on a car since the Checker. Although I have a Nav and love it, I wouldn't be caught dead in this new one. 16) Oh, wait, back to the naming thing - remember the "Zephyr"? Well, they announced that it will be discontinued and it's replacement will be called the MK Z. Yep, they (basically) cancelled the Zephyr within 6 months of it's release, replacing it with what it should have been to begin with perhaps. Does it seem to anyone else that they are totally cluless? Seriously.
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