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#86297 of 95897 Re: HAVE YOU EVER LOST YOUR CAR? [graphicguy]
Dec 12, 2012 (7:28 am)
Although, I'd probably want a stripped down model, with a manual trans
Tired of the Fiesta?
Dec 12, 2012 (7:34 am)
might be going for a new record on a sign and drive.
2013 Buick Verano, MSRP 24K+. $124/mo, 24 month lease, 0 down sign and drive.
Of course there are qualifications. 2 are GM related (conquest I think, and something that was impossible to translate). Plus $750 USAA, so only Mike qualifies!
so depending on what you actually qualify for, potentially $750 down then $124? still pretty danged cheap.
#86299 of 95897 Re: cheap lease [stickguy]
Dec 12, 2012 (7:48 am)
2013 Buick Verano, MSRP 24K+. $124/mo, 24 month lease, 0 down sign and drive.
I think that should read $124 bi-weekly. That comes to just over $3000 to drive a new car for 2 years or $1500 a year. Sounds like there is something missing in that ad!
#86300 of 95897 Re: cheap lease [stickguy]
Dec 12, 2012 (7:58 am)
2013 Buick Verano
Stepbrother just got one. Looks like a mini version of my LaCrosse. It's a really nice ride, a bit smallish on the inside for me.
I haven't had a chance to drive it, but he said it drives and rides nicer than the 08ish Malibu it replaced.
#86301 of 95897 Re: cheap lease [driver100]
Dec 12, 2012 (8:41 am)
no, that is per month. $3,120 is the TOP.
I dug out the ad. made a mistake, it is $129/mo for 24 mo/20,000 miles. 0 due at signing, after "offers"
offers are: $1,500 GM in-market rebate (no idea what that is), $1,000 comp lease rebate (no idea) and $750 USAA rebate (that I know I don't have).
MSRP $24,340/residual $17,525
so, a total "if qualified" factored in of $3,250. If you got none of them and rolled them all in, another $135/mo, or $264/mo. No longer the screaming deal, but still not all that bad for a nicely equipped car. Closer to $220 if you got just the 1K rebate.
#86302 of 95897 Re: cheap lease [stickguy]
Dec 12, 2012 (9:18 am)
So, work could wait (and wait, and wait). I called dealer about the Verano.
USAA - obvious, I don't qualify
Comp lease was for if you currently lease a competitors vehicle. I don't qualify
GM in-market is if you have been a regular GM buyer and are on some secret manifest. I sure don't qualify for that!
so, a more normal looking $269/mo.
Now, if someone like TJC was looking, after being a GM buyer (might qualify) if he happened to be with USAA, and also was currently leasing a Ford, then he could get a screaming deal!
and yes, if I qualified for enough to get it for sign and drive at $150/month, I would be on my way to the dealer right now.
#86303 of 95897 Re: HAVE YOU EVER LOST YOUR CAR? [graphicguy]
Dec 12, 2012 (12:43 pm)
Got it, graphicguy. Youíre looking at the more basic versions, similar to the ones I rented through Enterprise. Aside from the manual tranny, the version I drove should be pretty close to what youíd be looking at purchasing/leasing.
On my first FIAT 500 rental experience, Enterprise gave me a number of options to choose from, including a Charger, a pickup truck, an SUV, and some other large cars. They had a red 500 on the lot, and simply put, I wanted a unique experience. I knew all my driving would be around town and Iím a small-car fan for such driving, the 500 was new to the market, and I just couldnít resist. The Enterprise associate couldnít believe I picked the 500 and thought it was too small for America.
Yes, itís small. But it doesnít feel nearly so small while sitting inside. Itís when comparing the 500 against other cars that you realize what a diminutive little car the thing really is. Sitting in it, though, by yourself or with another person, youíll find plenty of legroom upfront, and the cargo has enough room for typical grocery runs and such. With the rear seats folded down the cargo space is quite large. For test purposes I took my wife and daughter to hockey practice, and the three of us fit in just fine with a full hockey gear bag in the cargo. Sure, the sticks had to run lengthwise up the center, but thatís the case for most vehicles. We also went on a double-date with some friends, and while it was cramped, no one required emergency extraction to get out. That said, the car isnít built for McDonaldís fed 300 pounders sitting side-by-side. My wife and I are tall and trim. The headroom and legroom are what surprised people most in a positive way.
The materials are cheap. No nice way to put it. The car may say FIAT on the badge, but the labels in various location show Chrysler Mexico, so donít expect luxury level materials. The plastics are hard and panels tend squeak and rattle, especially on rough surfaces. The seats are very, very basic with little support. Between the three rentals, I drove a couple thousand miles and found them acceptable.
The instruments controls take a little adjusting. With the limited dash space available, the instruments are cleverly packaged, which at first threw me off, but in time they became second nature. The radio is economy class at best. Donít try fitting your 10,000 oz soda in the cup holders.
Road and wind noise are prominent but not overwhelming. Iím sure strong cross winds would make the drive more interesting given the low weight, narrow wheel base, and tall profile, but I never tested that theory in reality.
(to be continued)
#86304 of 95897 Re: HAVE YOU EVER LOST YOUR CAR? [tyguy]
Dec 12, 2012 (12:14 pm)
Part 2 (of 2)
The 500 suspension can be fun in a small-car sense, but becomes rattled over uneven pavement. With such a short wheel base and limited wheel travel, itíll skip and hop a bit over really rough patches, and in hard cornering the relatively tall structure will lean. It actually adds to the character. Itís a small, lightweight car, and youíre going to feel the road.
The engine gets worked, but it loves to rev. While no speed demon, youíll have no problem keeping up with traffic and maneuvering on the highway provided youíre not afraid to push the revs. Gas mileage averaged in the low thirties with mixed driving, about the same as my larger Impreza with AWD. The FIAT engine works hard, especially on the freeway, so amazing cruising MPG is not going to happen.
The 500 requires the right attitude. Driver100 would hate it as self-proclaimed bigger car guy. I liked it enough to request two more times when I saw them on the rental lots. Co-workers scoffed when they first saw me in it, but after a ride they came away impressed with the space available and fun nature of the car. From my perspective the 500 embodies the philosophy that given the right situation, slow cars are more fun to drive fast than fast cars slow.
Where the 500 really shines is driving around town, fitting into tight parking spaces, wearing a smile while you drive something different than mainstream America, practicality in driving something that meets your needs without going overboard like in an SUV, and feeling like a kid again. That just hit me. I really did feel more youthful in the thing. Like when I started driving in my teenage years, actually looking forward to errands so I could be out on the road.
Again, attitude is everything. Itís not the right car for the vast majority of Americans who think a Camry is the ultimate transportation vehicle, or feel they need a Chevy Tahoe in case one day they buy a boat and until then theyíll polish their 20Ē chromed wheels. While thereís plenty to criticize about the 500, I found the criticisms drowned out by all the fun I was having.
Dec 12, 2012 (12:52 pm)
Just a few quickies of why big, national chains STINK (from the guy who operates a small business that competes with Home Depot):
Cheesecake Factory: As far as chains go, I really do like their food. Their big salads (while not all that healthy) fill me up & their burgers are delicious. What I can't stand is how everything there is a procedure and how they are so fake nice (like when they screw up, there is no need to send 3 different managers over to apologize). My Dad LOVES their salads. He goes there at least once a week and gets dinner for himself, lunch for him & I the next day, & lunch for himself the day after. My Dad is also impossible to shop for. So after talking to my Mom, we decided that the best Hanukah gift to get him (from "the kids") was a gift certificate to the Cheesecake Factory. So Saturday after work, I call up & order lunch for my wife and I. I go to pick up & buy the gift certificate. Since he LOVES the salads, I thought it would be an excellent idea to put the gift card in one of their "to go" salad containers. I asked the cashier for an extra, empty container for the gift card & pointed to the one in the bag that my salad was in. She brings me one of the black "leftover" containers.
Now having just spent $30 on food, plus another $75 gift card, she tells me they can't give out those salad containers unless there is food in them. I think to myself: "Really? Are you F'ING kidding me?" I tell her that my Dad LOVES the salad and he would really appreciate getting the gift card in the salad container. She tells me she has to check with the manager and she'll be right back. In the end, I got what I wanted, but PUUUULEASE!