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Re: Paying "full boat" [mako1a] by lrguy44
Nov 09, 2009 (9:45 pm)
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Replying to: mako1a (Nov 09, 2009 4:48 pm)

How does one build value?
 
Simply put, building value in a product begins what is important to your customer. Then it is taking the features of the product and translating them into benefits of priority to the customer. The more benefit that the customer sees in your product, the more value the product has to them over other products. Therefore the more likely the customer is to buy the product and because it has more value to them the more they may pay to obtain the product.
For instance, you are buying a shirt. The choice is between 2 and the salesman shows you how the more expensive shirt is no iron, saving you the time effort and expense of the dry cleaner. Then he shows you how the thread count will provide longer life. Finally, he shows you how the vibrant colors of the more expensive shirt look better on you. He has built value in your eyes and you are more likely to buy the more expensive product.
People buy Hybrids because of perceived value despite a long ROI on the investment.
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Re: Sales Story Alert !! [houdini1] by richard64
Nov 09, 2009 (10:03 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 09, 2009 8:44 pm)

$3,000 off. Not bad. When you get there, I dare you to say $28k even. Watch out for the F&I. Don't let them make up the difference there.
 
Richard
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Re: MSRP or not MSRP? [dino001] by bolivar
Nov 10, 2009 (1:37 am)
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Replying to: dino001 (Nov 09, 2009 9:04 am)

Yea, it's probably Gulf States.
I haven't kicked a Toyota tire since I cross-shopped them aganist the Accord I bought in 2002.
 
I was just astonished at the add-ons, on a separate sticker, but one that looked really close to the factory sticker.
 
Pinstripes, mud guards, auto dim inside mirror, paint and interior guard, mag wheels that looked about like the stock ones but with a $1,200 addon and no credit for the stock wheels, and, as I said previously, installing leather in a cloth interior model. A $20,000 Toyota would have $3,000 add-on.
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Re: Sales Story Alert !! [houdini1] by driver100
Nov 10, 2009 (4:53 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 09, 2009 8:44 pm)

The greenpea called about 10 AM this morning with a new price of $28,500.
 
Nice going...I am with Richard, try for $28k. I think the SM knew your son was emotionally attached to the car and wouldn't let it go easily.....so he didn't lower his price.
 
When he realized he would lose the sale, he got more realistic. I think the greenpea knew what was going on, and he hasn't been toughenned up to the business yet......if it was just him you would have got it for 27.5k.
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Re: Paying "full boat" [richard64] by driver100
Nov 10, 2009 (5:00 am)
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Replying to: richard64 (Nov 09, 2009 2:51 pm)

As a smoker, I can tell you from experience that it takes seven minutes to smoke a cigarette.
 
Once again, I don't mind if someone chooses to smoke.
 
But, it has gone through my mind, 7 minutes an hour is 10% of an hour, then the time to find cigarets, your matches or lighter, clean out ash trays.....extra cleaning in the office. I think people who smoke should be paid 10% less!!!! LOL
 
By the way, we have people in the warehouse who HAVE TO go outside for 15 minutes every hour for a cigaret. The others keep working away. I am not being judgemental, that is just a fact.
 
By the way, I know that salesman was smoking...not going to the washroom. He was in the backlot by himself. Unless he goes for a washroom break in the backfield he couldn't be doing much else....and there was a cloud of smoke around him too...ha ha, but I would bet $100 he had a cigaret.
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Re: Paying "full boat" [mako1a] by snakeweasel
Nov 10, 2009 (5:06 am)
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Replying to: mako1a (Nov 09, 2009 4:48 pm)

How does one build value?
 
In sales one doesn't actually build value but either points out things of value or creates the impression of value.
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Re: Sales Story Alert !! [driver100] by houdini1
Nov 10, 2009 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: driver100 (Nov 10, 2009 4:53 am)

I actually think $28,500 is a fair price. The car probably listed new for around $39K. Also I have learned over 40 years in sales myself, that it is never a good idea to unnecessarily antagonize someone ! I hope they have learned this same lesson.
 
Richard, F&I should not be a problem as my son has the proceeds from selling his other two cars and will be paying cash. That might freak them out. Also there is only a $49. DOC fee. I was expecting at least $200. so was pleasantly surprised when I learned this.
 
I will check back in when I get back today. Here's hoping there are no unpleasant surprises !!
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Re: Sales Story Alert !! [houdini1] by jipster
Nov 10, 2009 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 09, 2009 8:44 pm)

The salesmanager sounds like a real jerk who doesn't know what he is doing. Tell him you won't feel like you've "won" unless he "knocks off" another $100 bucks. If he does, buy the car, if not, walk.
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Re: Paying "full boat" [snakeweasel] by lrguy44
Nov 10, 2009 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Nov 10, 2009 5:06 am)

In sales one doesn't actually build value but either points out things of value or creates the impression of value.
 
First of all if all a salesperson does is points out things of value in a product that is not important to and no benefit of importance is seen by the customer it means absolutely nothing. I tell people that I could bore them all day long going through the features of the vehicle, but I need to know what is important to them so I can find the benefits that relate to them.
Sales people are not magicians. I cannot create an impression of value. I have to relate things of value to the customer and build on those for my product to rise to the top of his list.
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Re: Sales Story Alert !! [houdini1] by graphicguy
Nov 10, 2009 (6:44 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 09, 2009 8:44 pm)

houdini....those G coupes are nice cars. Putting myself in your shoes, I don't know that I'd want to do business with someone that's belligerent, regardless of price.
 
I've thwarted more than one deal in my own business practices because a buyer was belligerent (usually a purchasing agent....who wasn't really the end buyer, at all). There's just no good reason for that type of behavior, with the buyer or the seller.
 
I'm cordial, unless insulted, irritated or belittled by any sales person. I expect the same in return when conducting business. I've found myself falling into the "arguing" game, but not often. And, when I have, I'm always irritated with myself for being drawn into it.

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