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Re: Paying "full boat" [lrguy44] by driver100
Nov 07, 2009 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Nov 07, 2009 3:45 pm)

I will do alI I can to make it affordable.
 
That sounds like a get you into payments you can afford pitch.
 
It kinda went around my question......I think you are saying you would not give a low price.
 
See why I think you should in my next reply to boomer.
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Re: Paying "full boat" [boomchek] by driver100
Nov 07, 2009 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: boomchek (Nov 07, 2009 4:11 pm)

We always start of with full retail, always. No reason to discount
 
Personally, I don't think that is the best method, and I will explain why.
 
Very few people expect to pay full retail price, and almost no one will.
So, if you ask full retail, I think, unfortunately, you have lost me right there....unless I get a sense you are just joking and will come down pretty fast.
 
Once I was looking for a Mustang many years ago. I haggled down to a price, but I didn't trust the salesman and I didn't like his attitude.
I went to another dealer and he was a straight shooter, gave me exactly the same price right up front with no hassle. I trusted him and liked him....and bought from him, after he reduced it just a bit more.
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Re: Paying "full boat" [isellhondas] by driver100
Nov 07, 2009 (6:59 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Nov 07, 2009 4:48 pm)

Not every product needs to be discounted in order to sell. There is nothing wrong with selling any product for it's full asking price.
 
See my story above. I don't like game playing. I'll put up with asking for full retail until I start LOLing on the dealer showroom floor.
Salesman better get real very fast....I don't have time for that, or to be insulted by someone who thinks I am going to pay full retail price.
 
I guaranty, I will be walking out the door unless things progress downward very quickly, and my trust will evaporate very quickly. I am very polite in these situations, I just politely take the card and move on to another dealer.
 
If you start out with a realistic price, probably at least 10% below MSRP as a starting point, you will win most of my trust, and I will be willing to stay and talk.
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Re: Paying "full boat" [driver100] by lrguy44
Nov 07, 2009 (7:15 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Nov 07, 2009 6:59 pm)

Price is not revelant until you are sure it is the car you want. Negotiating before deciding on the vehicle means nothing. As far as the "I will do everything I can to make it affordable" means I am open to negotiation if you are serious about the car. Depending on the customer it could be price, difference or payment. Different customers have different objectives. I have also told customers I will work with them until they try to make me a non profit organization. It breaks the ice, they agree we are a business and invariably leads to a friendly negotiation.
When you are asked for a price (not a quote but a price) on a quantity of books do you give your drop dead low figure or the list price to be negotiated with a RFQ?
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Re: Anybody miss me? [explorerx4] by jmonroe
Nov 07, 2009 (7:44 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 07, 2009 2:11 pm)

'02 and up have rear disks, before that rear drums.
aren't you in/near pittsburgh?
that's a generous offer.

 
First off I was wrong, Son # 2 has a 2000 Explorer not a 2002. However, since you were slow to take up the offer for help with your brakes, he won’t be able to take you this weekend. Something just popped up.
 
He and his wife drop off their two kids so they can go out for dinner then to a movie. They return to pick up their brats and he says, “what are you doing tomorrow”? Right off, I know I’m about to be doing something tomorrow. He has just over 128K on the Explorer and on the way to our house, after their night out, his alternator light comes on. I don’t think that should take more than an hour but then we’ll be watching some NFL games. Not the Steelers, they play Monday night but Sunday is football day at our house. So, that’s why we can’t fit you in this weekend.
 
Sorry,
 
jmonroe
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Re: Paying "full boat" [driver100] by murphydog
Nov 07, 2009 (8:20 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Nov 07, 2009 6:59 pm)

driver - I am not sure you actually answered Isells question?
 
If you were pricing your car for sale and someone called on your ad and offered that price would you take it or go down some?
 
And Isell -
 
Your point is a good one. My wife and I sell things half a dozen time a year on Craigs list - old TVs, Microwave, etc..no mater what we think it is worth $20 or $500 we work in the haggle factor...and you know what, most people don't haggle!
 
I never understood the whole point view that a price or offer is "insulting" etc...if an offer does not work for you don't accept it? right?
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Re: Paying "full boat" [driver100] by jwilliams2
Nov 07, 2009 (8:57 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Nov 07, 2009 6:59 pm)

I'll put up with asking for full retail until I start LOLing on the dealer showroom floor.
 
and then:
 
I am very polite in these situations
 
Doesn't sound like it....
 
The first price should be the one on the car, either a special tag price or the MSRP. Once it's determined the car is exactly what you want, you sit down and negotiate. Nothing at all insulting about that, to either the buyer or seller.
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Re: Paying "full boat" [driver100] by tallman1
Nov 07, 2009 (11:21 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Nov 07, 2009 6:59 pm)

Wow.... I can't believe anyone would be upset if a salesperson stated the asking price of a car, stove, sweater, or whatever. The savvy shopper offers less. Pretty simple. If there is a sale, it is posted. Heck, you can even offer less than the sales price and they might be willing to go lower but I sure wouldn't expect anyone to mention that. Now if they were unwilling to deal at all, feel free to walk.
 
People around here know they can get a better deal than MSRP. So make the offer or begin negotiations or ask about discounts. But get offended???
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Re: Paying "full boat" [driver100] by verdugo
Nov 07, 2009 (11:23 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Nov 07, 2009 6:51 pm)

Once I was looking for a Mustang many years ago. I haggled down to a price, but I didn't trust the salesman and I didn't like his attitude.
I went to another dealer and he was a straight shooter, gave me exactly the same price right up front with no hassle. I trusted him and liked him....and bought from him, after he reduced it just a bit more.

 
I don't get it. If you got a bad vibe from the salesman, why spend time haggling? Why not just move on? Your time has a price too.
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Re: Paying "full boat" [lrguy44] by driver100
Nov 08, 2009 (4:59 am)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Nov 07, 2009 7:15 pm)

When you are asked for a price (not a quote but a price) on a quantity of books do you give your drop dead low figure or the list price to be negotiated with a RFQ?
 
I buy books from suppliers all the time. I just came back from a trade show in Chicago and I bought over 200,000 books in 3 days.
 
Dealers have the list price marked on the book. That is the price bookstores pay.
Since i buy in quantity - we caqn either start at that point and haggle all day, or suppliers can see thsat I know the list price, and I am not going to pay list price if a book store is going to order 5 copies, and I am going to order 500 copies, so I would be insulted being asked to pay list price. I don't have the time to play games and there are other suppliers who give me great prices right from the start, sometimes close to half the list price.
 
Ihate haggling. That's why I don't like to go to Bahamas or something. I know it is the way they do business. In China street vendors are insulted if youdon't haggle. Dealers off knock off Rolex's for $10 but if you work on them you can get them down to $3...but you have to walk away and act like you don't care. I would rather pay $5, the $2 won't change my life much but it might feed a family of 4 over there.

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