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Re: Paying "full boat" [graphicguy] by lrguy44
Nov 07, 2009 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Nov 07, 2009 7:25 am)

Two thoughts come to mind. First of all the assumption that a deal has to be a "full boat lay down" deal to be a big gross. Except on hot cars, MSRP is hard to do. But with dealer incentives that do not have to be passed on, back end, and good negotiating the customer can receive a discount and still the dealership makes a good gross. Perceived value makes a happy customer. If the salesman has done his job fulfilling the customers wants and needs, the price becomes less important than the deal. A relationship built between the good sales person and the customer also leads to an extremely satisfied customer.
The quick skinny deal that is not an adversarial deal and is not the guy who will roll the bus on CSI. It is the grinder who will negotiate will an attitude, threaten to buy 2 states over (and out here that is quite a feat in it's own right) and do his nasty best to make you a non profit organization that will always kill you on CSI.
So I guess the definition you guys are talking think is good and bad is a little different in real life.
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Re: Anybody miss me? [isellhondas] by explorerx4
Nov 07, 2009 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Nov 06, 2009 6:40 pm)

not that it is worth it at this point, but a new set of shocks would do wonders for the highway stability.
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Re: Anybody miss me? [richard64] by explorerx4
Nov 07, 2009 (7:57 am)
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Replying to: richard64 (Nov 06, 2009 6:49 pm)

i am hoping to not spend money on the next round of maintenance (tires/brakes).
if it isn't driven much, i can stretch out the calendar on those.
just bought and installed a new battery in the 04 escape, replacing the original 6 year old one.
i bought it at the dealer, but resisted the urge to check out the vehicle inventory, although i did browse it online and check the incentives before i went over there.
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Re: No insult intended.. [richard64] by isellhondas
Nov 07, 2009 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: richard64 (Nov 06, 2009 7:17 pm)

Well, thank you for that.
 
I'm not a person to cause trouble but when pushed, I'll push back. I don't like blanket statements or mis-information and I don't like to be associated with stores that mistreat their customers. I do try to pull my punches.
 
Truth be known, I would probably get along with all of you.
 
So, where and when do we meet? Las Vegas?
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Re: Anybody miss me? [explorerx4] by jmonroe
Nov 07, 2009 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 07, 2009 7:57 am)

i am hoping to not spend money on the next round of maintenance (tires/brakes).
 
Son #2 has a 2002 Explorer (I think that's the year) and unless you have a garage do your brakes they're dirt cheap compared to tires for that beast. He's watched me do a brake job on that thing a couple of times now and is just itching to show you how easy a brake job is on an Explorer. So, if you want to save some bucks, I can give you my address and you can stop over (he likes to do his work over here for moral support and to use my tools). He'll have you in and out in no time. It's just that easy.
 
I guess one of the things I dislike so much about buying tires is that I can't do that job myself. No matter how good of a deal I can get on them I still have to rely on a tire store for mounting and balancing them. Then I have to make sure they don't over or under torque the lug nuts
 
jmonroe
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Re: Paying "full boat" [lrguy44] by murphydog
Nov 07, 2009 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Nov 07, 2009 7:45 am)

Not that I sell cars - but my last purchase was as lrguy is describing. I knew what I wanted, I had researched my trade and knew the figures I wanted to get to. The discussion at the dealer ship was not adversarial - I told them my numbers - matched on the new car - within $500 on the trade.
 
Because they were not arm twisting I was able to think about it for a moment without pressure and I did the deal.
 
I was happy and have given them solid scores ever since.
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Re: Paying "full boat" [graphicguy] by isellhondas
Nov 07, 2009 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Nov 07, 2009 7:25 am)

I have no problem with a skinny deal.
 
When a customer knows exactly what they want, I don't have to go on mulitple test drives and answer endless questions, I'm fine.
 
As long as they are friendly and not rushing me to get them out in a half hour and I don't have to listen to screaming kids, no problem at all!
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Car Show by oldfarmer50
Nov 07, 2009 (11:08 am)
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I just got back from the car show in Albany. As usual I have decided that I just HAVE to have about 2 million dollars worth of new cars. Never mind that there are already 4 vehicles in my driveway (well, the jury is still out as to whether to van is a vehicle or a really big paper weight).
 
Some of the iron that caught my eye is as follows:
 
Infinity G37--Very nice, very expensive. $39K for the sedan I saw. I was afraid to look at the sticker on the new 'vert G37 but it looked great with white leather.
 
BMW 335i--Again, a beautiful machine which I would love to drive before I die. A Black on black model caught my eye until I looked at the sticker, $49K. I figured that it had to be loaded with every option until I looked at the grey one next to it which was $52K. Yikes! Still, if I sold my wife and kids as part of the deal......
 
Camaro--I don't know why, but I just can't seem to love this new style. It somehow just doesn't look "right". Same for the Challenger. The Mustang is the only retro-muscle car that seems to have the correct style. They're all about the same size inside as my Eclipse which is funny because the Eclipse is a smaller car.
   The Camaro had it's hood up and I was disappointed with the way the sheet metal was put together. It looked kind of sloppy next to the Dodge. The Camaro was the star of the show though, everybody wanted to sit in it. At a high 30's price tag I'll pass.
 
Mazda 6--Very nice looking redesign. Nice interior, new engine. $30K not so nice.
 
Genesis--I finally got to look at jmonroe's sedan up close. Very few on the road in my area. it was nice inside but didn't do much more for me than a top-of-the-line Honda. That's just me, I'm not currently into luxo-sedans.
   The coupe was another matter. That is one sharp looking car. I saw a black on black Track M/T trim for $39K (same as the Infinity). It would be a hard choice if it came down to those two cars.
 
I also was surprised to find a Land Rover for $37K. I thought they were a lot more expensive. The Range Rover was $65K which is more what I would have thought. I'm not an SUV guy so I'm not clear on the difference between the two.
 
I was also surprised by the Honda CRV. Very roomy, nice interior and only $23K for the one I saw. That's a lot of car for the money.
 
I sat in a Mitsubishi Lancer Raliart (detuned EVO) and just loved the seats. Plenty of headroom too. I guess my rump was just made for Mitsus.
 
I would still be there but Mrs farmer like all good wives brought me back to earth. Her comments consisted mainly of things like "But you don't need ANOTHER car" and "Why are they all black? Aren't there other colors?" and "They all look like boxes to me." She did say that most of the Acuras looked like they had "owl's beaks" and she thought the new Mazda 3 had a "nice smile".
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Re: Car Show [oldfarmer50] by isellhondas
Nov 07, 2009 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 07, 2009 11:08 am)

The Seattle Auto Show begins soon and once again, I got talked into working the floor. I'll be there Sunday the 15th from 10-3.
 
I'm usually good for the first hour or so but then I get tired of answereing the same questions over and over and hearing...
 
" You would THINK Honda would come out with a ......" or...
 
" When is Honda going to come out with a Diesel Hybrid?"
 
" How come ther isn't a full size spare?"
 
Etc etc etc...
 
I'll be there in a coat and tie working the floor. I'll walk through the place and look around but after being in the business, new cars don't get me all that excited anymore.
 
Any locals are welcome to stop by and say hi!
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Re: Car Show [isellhondas] by lrguy44
Nov 07, 2009 (12:17 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Nov 07, 2009 11:24 am)

The nice thing about Land Rover is we can do the shows in comfy clothes i it is our heritage

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