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Re: Fees [imidazol97] by lrguy44
Jul 02, 2009 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 02, 2009 7:16 am)

"Doc fees are whatever the dealer wants to charge and usually in line with competition collusion among the dealer association within their market
 
Now you are completely off base. If there was collusion in my state all Doc Fees would be the same, but they vary widly. Just another unwarranted attack on dealers. What business are you in?
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Re: Babecat's Saga [imidazol97] by steve_ HOST
Jul 02, 2009 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 02, 2009 7:10 am)

Babecat did first tell her story on Edmunds Answers and her story was first linked here to try to get some additional help for her (thanks, Boomchek and Greanpea68!).
 
If you'll pardon the generalizations, people who find Answers generally want a quick response to a car problem and may have little interest in carrying on an online conversation with a bunch of strangers (fascinating though you may be ).
 
So I don't think you can tag the one-off label on people who come to the CarSpace forums like this. Some people join and post, some go to Answers, some write a consumer review and vent or laud that way. Who knows what their motives are (but rest assured that shills are easily spotted).
 
Steve (now going back to lurking host mode)
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Dealers would rather be selling than closing by mako1a
Jul 02, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: greanpea68 (Jul 02, 2009 8:08 am)

One way to tell if dealers are making profit is whether they want to continue to be in business or not.
 
I noted some dealers fighting being closed by the manufacturer. I have yet to see any dealer throw up hands and just call it quits. There must be ample profit. Therefore I have no sympathy and will continue to say...If you want more profit pay the manufacturer less rather than charging the customer more.
 
My money acquisition fee trumps any dealer fees hands down.
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Re: Dealers would rather be selling than closing [mako1a] by lrguy44
Jul 02, 2009 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: mako1a (Jul 02, 2009 9:13 am)

If you want more profit pay the manufacturer less rather than charging the customer more.
 
Since according to the franchise agreement, those costs are not negotiable how do you propose to get the manufacturers to charge less for thier product? Looking for a solution, not a statement.
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Re: Dealers would rather be selling than closing [lrguy44] by houdini1
Jul 02, 2009 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Jul 02, 2009 9:22 am)

I thought mfgs. did that all the time by charging less in the form of rebates, etc.
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Re: Dealers would rather be selling than closing [mako1a] by micosilver
Jul 02, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: mako1a (Jul 02, 2009 9:13 am)

noted some dealers fighting being closed by the manufacturer. I have yet to see any dealer throw up hands and just call it quits. There must be ample profit. Therefore I have no sympathy and will continue to say...If you want more profit pay the manufacturer less rather than charging the customer more.
 
Irrelevant, but to your point - there are PLENTY of dealers that closed dooors in the last year voluntarily. Oldest Chevy dealer in California, our next door Chrysler dealer, local Cadillac dealer, and many more.
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Re: Dealers would rather be selling than closing [houdini1] by lrguy44
Jul 02, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 02, 2009 9:49 am)

And rebates are passed on to the consumer. They are originated by the manufacturer, not the dealer. His statement (if I assumed correctly) sounded like dealers should negotiate invoice pricing from the manufacturer (i.e. pay less for the product).
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cash for clunkers by houdini1
Jul 02, 2009 (9:58 am)
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I recently noticed a Hyundai ad in the local paper that included the $4500. clunker discount to get to their advertised price. I also noticed that this $4500. took the place of the previous dealer and factory rebates !! The ad also included the obligatory "call for details" disclaimer.
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Re: cash for clunkers [houdini1] by oldfarmer50
Jul 02, 2009 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 02, 2009 9:58 am)

"...ad in the local paper that included the $4500 clunker discount..."
 
Some of the base model PT Crusiers in my dealers lot had big numbers on them that said $4500 off. While it was true that you could get this price off the MSRP you had to be a horse breeding, ex-military current Chrysler owner, coming off a lease. You also had to select from dealer stock (which was 4 cars, none of which was the color "we" had to have). I took my $3500 discount instead and got the car she wanted.
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Used Chryslers Going Up In Value by oldfarmer50
Jul 02, 2009 (12:25 pm)
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I had been hearing that with new car sales in the toilet people were turning towards used cars and this was driving the price up. I really didn't think much about it as I was not in the market for used and my old cars (newest is 12 y/o) would never be worth much as trades.
 
Well I replaced my 1997 Chrysler Cirrus with a new car this week and was thinking of selling it to my son. I had looked up the TMV on it several months ago and the "rough" value (yes, to be honest, it's rough cosmetically) was $896 for private party. I decided to look it up again to see how much it had depreciated in 3-4 months.
 
I was shocked to find that TMV for the same "rough" condition with several thousand more miles was now $1042 (16% increase).
 
Back in 2002 when I bought the car my salesman countered my use of TMV values by saying: "Those books don't keep track of the market. Used Chryslers have been going UP in value lately". I laughed at the time but now I'm wondering if he was right all along.
 
Have used cars really seen a 16% increase in prices in recent months? How long do you expect this to continue?
 
Who knows, if my Cirrus keeps going up in value maybe at some point I'll be able to trade it even for a new one.

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