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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 02, 2009 6:41 am) |
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Replying to: driver100 (Jul 02, 2009 5:30 am) True, but if they outlaw doc fees some clever dealer will just come up with some other BS fee to pump up the gross. You used to see a charge for "dealer prep" which was bull for the most part. People wised up to that so you don't see it any more. Now it's doc fees. Once doc fees are gone it will a fee for "fresh air integration" which will be a charge for opening the windows. I asked my F&I guy why I was being charged a "tire disposal fee" on a brand new car with no trade. He said that the state collects that fee up front had hopes people forget they paid it by the time they replace their tires. That way the state gets to charge you twice. And you think dealers are sneaky. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jul 02, 2009 6:52 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 02, 2009 6:34 am)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Jul 02, 2009 6:58 am) I recognize the cost of getting a car ready for customer delivery is a valid cost. But it's a cost of doing business, just like the local hardware store has costs for getting boxes of merchandise shipped from their warehouse for a store group and unloaded at the store and unpacked and placed onto the shelves for sale. I expect the dealer to make some profit on a sale. I think being straightforward about how and what is what's at discussion here. Many stores try to make the documentation fee seem like a fee NOT going to them but rather a requirement of the State. |
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>Doc fees are whatever the dealer wants to charge and usually in line with competition within their market. Someone posted this earlier and I'd like to suggest that it should read, "Doc fees are whatever the dealer wants to charge and usually in line with AND the documentation fee for my Saturday transaction doesn't entail all the steps discussed earlier for some. It doesn't cost much for the help to cash a check into the dealer's deposits for the day drop at the bank. It doesn't cost much to bundle the title application with the 15 others sales that day, new and used, and trundle them over to the auditor's title branch (4 miles either direction). The cost of documenting the temp tag that they write on and glue to the car. Furthermore, the discussion in Ohio's ORC (Ohio Revised Code) 1317.07, e.g., is about installment transactions being the reason to allow a document fee because of the work requisite with setting up a loan on the part of the dealership. I wrote a check. No loan hence no document fee. I already emailed my state representative, who if I recall, operated a license branch before he was elected to the statehouse.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jul 01, 2009 2:45 pm) Well because cars are always negotiated to a purchase price.... Where as a Doc Fee is always the same unless a store raises the doc fee. It comes back to compliance regulations. Once you do one thing or offer one thing to a customer it becomes a business model or a process. So if you charge one person a doc fee you have to charge everyone the same doc fee... |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 02, 2009 7:16 am) "Doc fees are whatever the dealer wants to charge and usually in line with Well gee, now you are accusing dealers of collusion which is illegal. Wonder why more dealer folks get tired of this forum. I already emailed my state representative Good luck with that. |
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Replying to: kyfdx (Jul 01, 2009 7:34 pm) KYFDX, Lets agree to diagree on this one... ( but I am still right  ) Here is why I disagree with you. One, are familar with the compliance regulations of a dealership or business practices? I didn't think so. I am. I work for a publicly owned company and have proper knowledge of things should be because it is my job to know these rules. Yes each state has different regulations on Doc fees... Meaning pricing to them.... But you can not charge one person a doc fee and not another.... Yes do dealers say OK I will make the deal and you don't have to pay the doc fee..... BUT all you do is deduct the doc fee from the price and on the contracts the doc fee is still listed!  If a dealer were to get audited (and I have been through at least one a year) and they are found to not be charging a doc fee to everyone. They are breaking compliance laws and regulations.... The reason the say it is the state is because if a dealer where to be brought to court they would be brought to court in there own state right? They wouldn't be brought before congress, right? So that is what I am talking about. There are many rules and regulations that protect consumers and dealers..... There are so many new regulations now and that is one of the reasons paper work takes so long. GP |
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Replying to: graphicguy (Jul 02, 2009 6:00 am) Happy Independence Day to all. Though things are never perfect in life, we are indeed fortunate to live in America. Richard |
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