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#37809 of 48060 Re: Can they really do that? [cdn_tch] by jmonroe Jan 09, 2009 (10:16 am)
Replying to: cdn_tch (Jan 09, 2009 9:19 am) ...but they cannot perform miracles if we get our car completely out of control.   I agree with everything you said, especially that.   jmonroe
#37810 of 48060 Re: Thanks [chikoo] by fezo Jan 09, 2009 (10:22 am)
Replying to: chikoo (Jan 09, 2009 10:04 am) The good news is Richard is now going to another dealer where he can use that advice.   On color I always think that while I tend not to be fixated on one particular color I won't buy a car in a color I don't like no matter how good the deal is. I'm the same way about an option that I either must have or don't want. I don't want anything where I'm going to have to look at it and say "I paid all that money and it....."
#37811 of 48060 Re: Thanks [jonanong] by chikoo Jan 09, 2009 (10:34 am)
Replying to: jonanong (Jan 08, 2009 1:46 am) You seem to be a pretty level headed guy. Any business that involves selling products/services follow the steps/phases you mentioned i.e. " find prospects, sell, retain, repeat with the inclusion of repeat and referrals."   Revenue in my field are down 30%. Sales is the same, due to the discounts that lead to the loss of revenue.
#37812 of 48060 Re: Richard [percussionist] by chikoo Jan 09, 2009 (10:36 am)
Replying to: percussionist (Jan 08, 2009 6:16 am) >If black is what you want, get black. If they are so popular with Limo and Funeral ...   I fear for you Richard. I hope you understand what I mean.....
#37813 of 48060 Re: Thanks [explorerx4] by chikoo Jan 09, 2009 (10:48 am)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 08, 2009 6:01 pm) >GM on track   :puke.....   No wonder GMotors is in trouble. Look at the shitty dashboard. Do I have to look at that daily while driving to work? everyday? No way.
#37814 of 48060 Re: Thanks [driver100] by roadburner Jan 09, 2009 (10:58 am)
Replying to: driver100 (Jan 09, 2009 4:39 am) I used to see more than a few rental cars at BMW CCA HPDEs, but not so much now; most chapters have cracked down on them. One of my friends used his frequent flier miles and upgraded to a Jag XJ one year. He ran the drivers school and the autocross with it. The driver of the GM may not have been a pro, but he would at least have to have been an instructor, as instructors are the only ones allowed to carry passengers on the track.
#37815 of 48060 Re: Can they really do that? [driver100] by tidester HOST Jan 09, 2009 (11:00 am)
Replying to: driver100 (Jan 09, 2009 4:11 am) Were you there to pick up a new bimmer?   No, but the hotel I stayed at in Munich overlooked the BMW factory. It would have been really nice to bring one home.   tidester, host SUVs and Smart Shopper
#37816 of 48060 Re: Traction Control + Stability Control + ABS [jmonroe] by imidazol97 Jan 09, 2009 (12:08 pm)
Replying to: jmonroe (Jan 09, 2009 9:05 am) The lake skid was at 70 instead of 50 mph. I got the wrong number when I heard it the first time. They don't mention what the final direction was after the 70 mph run with SC effective. I'd like to see them do that on a two lane country highway at 70 with all the ice and snow.   Looking again at the TC display, the second run with TC turned on was at a good clip when they ran up onto the ice. In the display of how poor the car is without TC in effect, spinning the wheels heats up the tire. Also keeping the wheel speed low gives a bit of grip until it breaks loose; but the driver didn't even try that. The traction control run was probably made after they cooled the tires by driving on the snow a bit.   I see cars with 4-wheel drive and lots of the extra electronic helpers off the road here when there is ice, freezing rain, sleet, or snow. I saw a recent Lexus SUV off the road on a two lane road where the tire lanes were wet and there was residual sleet of 1/4 to 1/2 inch in between the paths where the tires run. I can't figure out how she went off the road and I suppose the car had SC. Replies to this message: cdn_tch (Jan 09, 2009 12:45 pm)
#37817 of 48060 Re: Traction Control + Stability Control + ABS [imidazol97] by cdn_tch Jan 09, 2009 (12:45 pm)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 09, 2009 12:08 pm) I see cars with 4-wheel drive and lots of the extra electronic helpers off the road here when there is ice, freezing rain, sleet, or snow.   I suspect that many people with 4wd/awd vehicles don't realize how much extra traction they get when they are accelerating and therefore they don't know how bad the grip really is and allow for it appropriately.   We're victims of our past experiences, as we use them to judge current conditions. Many years ago we bought an Explorer which had Auto 4wd (it would engage the front axle if the rear started to lose grip). I would normally add a bit more gas than necessary on our street when leaving in the morning to see what the road grip was. I did that with the Explorer and made the assumption on how it just moved forward that the road was fine. Then as I approached a corner where I was going to turn, I wanted to slow down and the ABS tried valiantly to slow us down but with limited success. It was an eye opener at how much more get up and go the 4wd gave without being noticed.
#37818 of 48060 by bismarck Jan 09, 2009 (2:31 pm)
No amount of electronic nannies can defeat physics... Stability control can help a lot though, especially on SUVs, etc. if one is not paying all the attention they should be, abrupt maneuvers, etc. I would never buy a car without it.

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