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48021 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 8:07 PM
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jan 09, 2009 6:06 am) Unless you type with your tongue... shouldn't you be biting your fingers??? 
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Replying to: tidester (Jan 08, 2009 8:23 pm) You cannot eliminate the gaps, just reduce the number. The gaps are there for expansion/contraction of the metal rails.
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Replying to: driver100 (Jan 09, 2009 6:04 am) First, the over-the-hill stopping doesn't show how much increase in stopping distance occurred with the ABS engaged. The verbal claim of the narrator was that the control would be increased and he didn't mention anything about stopping distance. The icy slope shows why you don't gun the motor to spin the tires faster to hope for more traction: you just heat up the tire and the contact point, generating slicker ice and water mixture due to the heat. Instead you gently feather the pedal or clutch. I note they never showed starting the car from dead stop in the middle of the icy slope with the TC, they back up and show a slow run onto the ice. As for the snow, the driver over steers to throw the car into a skid more drastic than it needed to be with the expected, hoped for result. However driving more carefully might have avoided the skid completely. The SC attempts to keep the car going straight or turning slightly; if you're going off the road, you'll hit whatever's in front of you. SC cannot repeal the laws of physics and over driving the vehicle. The discussion seems to have wandered from Sales Stories. Anyone selling anything to interesting buyers or shoppers? |
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jan 09, 2009 6:06 am) You mean all these years you've been on these boards you were actually holding back?
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Replying to: cdn_tch (Jan 09, 2009 7:21 am) OH NO !!! A technical geek. It's guys like you that are giving this place the rap that it has. What are your thoughts about safety systems? jmonroe
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 09, 2009 7:23 am) No it hasn't, we are trying to help Richard buy a car  However driving more carefully might have avoided the skid completely. theres always be the person that will say, "duh, what I need dat fer, I am a grate driver, and nothings going to help me, cuz I am super driver and never make uh mistake or misjudge". And who has never been in an accident or had absolutely no traffic tickets? |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 09, 2009 7:23 am) This sounds like the "favorable" side of "momentum" I mentioned a few posts back.  SC cannot repeal the laws of physics and over driving the vehicle. "Physics", it always comes back to "physics". As long as we're on this planet we'll have to pay attention to this. jmonroe
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Replying to: jmonroe (Jan 09, 2009 8:55 am) I have them and I am glad that they are there. When ABS became mainstream, there was a lot of talk that ABS actually lengthens stopping distances and that with proper brake modulation one could achieve shorter stops. While true, the problem was that when one is in a panic situation they have a tendency to hammer the brakes. Without ABS they would lock the wheels and skid, with ABS they would have a controlled stop. The same is true for TC, if you don't gun the engine and maintain an acceleration within the adhesion level of the tires, the TC will not kick in. So if someone has had an issue with TC leaving them not moving because the TC was engaged, what would the vehicle have been doing if there was no TC? To me all the safety systems are there to help keep a car doing what we want, but they cannot perform miracles if we get our car completely out of control. |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 07, 2009 4:51 pm) RightO! My first car had: 1. No power steering 2. Steering was not aligned 3. Wheel Balancing? Never heard of it then. 4. Firewall? Sure. The wall that was scorching hot and called the firewall. Could not keep your feet there after 2 hours of driving. Needed to cool off. Still enjoyed it thoroughly. Never had an accident. Car had decent speed of up to 65mph. |
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Replying to: richard64 (Jan 07, 2009 8:14 pm) >I don't mean to be, but $1,300 is big money just to have my color. >Richard Sales mistakes 101. Never tell the dealer the color you want. Negotiate the price and then ask for the color.
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