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Replying to: richard64 (Jan 07, 2009 10:30 am) Effectiveness Numerous studies around the world confirm that ESC is highly effective in helping the driver maintain control of the car and saving lives and reducing the severity of crashes.[25] In the fall of 2004 in the U.S., the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration confirmed the international studies, releasing results of a field study in the U.S. of ESC effectiveness. NHTSA concluded that ESC reduces crashes by 35%. Additionally, Sport utility vehicles (SUVs) with stability control are involved in 67% fewer accidents than SUVs without the system. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) issued its own study in June 2006 showing that up to 10,000 fatal US crashes could be avoided annually if all vehicles were equipped with ESC[26] The IIHS study concluded that ESC reduces the likelihood of all fatal crashes by 43%, fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56%, and fatal single-vehicle rollovers by 77-80%. ESC is described as the most important advance in auto safety since the seat belt by many experts.[27] including Nicole Nason,[28] Administrator of the NHTSA,[29] Jim Guest and David Champion[30] of Consumers Union[31] Max Mosley of the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA), E-Safety Aware,[32] Csaba Csere, editor of Car and Driver,[33] and Bill Kozyra, CEO of Continental Automotive Systems[29] The European New Car Assessment Program (EuroNCAP) "strongly recommends" that people buy cars fitted with stability control.[34] The IIHS and Consumer Reports are so impressed with ESC that vehicles cannot earn their Top Safety Pick ratings without ESC (I am not sure how the GM got 5 stars) To see more and to see how it works go to; electronic stability control Another thing is spending $3000 or so more for a car that will last you at least 10 years is less than $300 a year, so extra cost isn't too much of a factor. I think asking the great salesman from above for some guidance would be wise.....it's a beautiful car but it is a major and important decision to get it right.
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Replying to: driver100 (Jan 07, 2009 3:41 pm) give me a car that has an engine that runs, a steering wheel that turns the car at some point, 4 tires with air, and brakes that can actually stop the car after a while. i'll take it from there. the police have tried many different vehicles over the years, but what do they keep buying?
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Replying to: percussionist (Jan 07, 2009 10:42 am)
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Replying to: driver100 (Jan 07, 2009 3:41 pm) Thanks for the article on the ESC. In addition to being a good thing for all drivers, I can see that seniors could especially benefit from it as our reflexes aren't as sharp as they used to be. I was only considering the LS. It has all of the bells. The GS is a step down. The dealer called again today but just couldn't (wouldn't) come down on the black clearcoat. He called another dealer six hours away who has a black one, but that dealer won't budge either. I could get any other color at a very good price. It may be time for me to move on in my thinking. There ARE other makes that come in black. Richard |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 07, 2009 4:57 pm) |
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Replying to: jmonroe (Jan 07, 2009 12:48 pm) I can only imagine how I would feel when you finished having your way with me.  Perhaps the Hosts would allow me to post the deal incognito. Better yet, why not have some furniture companies give Mrs. Jmonroe a call? I'm sure that they are dealing now as well.  Richard |
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Replying to: percussionist (Jan 07, 2009 5:14 pm) it isn't fast, but it only takes one traffic jam to make it work out, timewise. it was pretty interesting seeing some of the areas adjacent to the train tracks. if i was going to buy a car from fitzmall, that what i would do. |
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Replying to: richard64 (Jan 07, 2009 5:10 pm) i found 3 black ones searching only a few dealers here in ct. do you want heated seats or not? with the employee pricing plus, the color does not matter. the price is the price. 
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Replying to: jonanong (Jan 07, 2009 12:13 am) The sales stories haven't been the same since Mac disappeared, I miss him. |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 07, 2009 4:51 pm) 1) police usually drive Ford Crown Vics or whatever they call them these days. Mainly because Ford builds cars for that market, the others don't need that cheap niche market. Also, not too many cheaper RWD cars around...want RWD because they last longer and are cheaper to repair. Our town is trying out a few Volvos by the way. Police using Crown Vics is not a compliment, I have driven in taxis that are usually CVs, and that is roughing it. i don't think you understand that some of us grew up without all the eletronic helpers and we are have no fear driving a car without them. I do remember, my first cars were a 60 Austin Sprite that burned more oil than gas and a 62 Beatle VW that had some kind of extra gas heater because they didn't really have them. But, driving wasn't as complex back then. Today you need as much protection as possible, because of the other people out there. Have you ever seen those helicopter shots of guys who speed through red lights etc., that didn't happen before. You want airbags all around if you meet one of those guys in an intersection. 
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