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Re: Traction Control/Stability Control [isellhondas] by capitano
Jan 07, 2009 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jan 06, 2009 12:08 pm)

Isell,
 
It depends on when you got out. The USAA website lists these as groups eligible for membership:
 
Children of USAA members.
Active-duty officers and enlisted personnel.
National Guard and Selected Reserve officers and enlisted personnel.
Officer candidates in commissioning programs (Academy, ROTC, OCS/OTS).
Former military personnel:
Retired officers and enlisted personnel.
Former officers and enlisted personnel who separated on or after 01/01/1996.
 
USAA was established by 3 officers in the 1920's as a way around high insurance costs. It extended membership to the senior enlisted ranks (E-6+) in the mid 90s as indicated above by the date of eligibility for former service members. It now appears all enlisted grades are eligible. If you were still serving in 96 you should be eligible.
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Re: Thanks [richard64] by jimbres
Jan 07, 2009 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: richard64 (Jan 07, 2009 10:30 am)

What's the hurry? The current economic climate is the worst that we've seen in a generation. There are far more new cars & trucks on lots across America than there are qualified buyers for them. It doesn't hurt your chances of getting a good deal that you're interested in a comparatively low-demand vehicle.
 
This is the definitive buyers' market. Relax & enjoy it. More promotions will be coming down the road any moment now.
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Re: Thanks [peetert] by fezo
Jan 07, 2009 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: peetert (Jan 07, 2009 9:44 am)

Thought I answered this earlier but obviously didn't...
 
Randolph is nice. My brother is in Denville and does a lot of work in Jefferson. The old family house is in Butler. I lived a bunch of years there and might end up back there. Morris county is very nice.
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Re: Thanks [jimbres] by jipster
Jan 07, 2009 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Jan 07, 2009 12:21 pm)

More promotions will be coming down the road any moment now.
 
Toyota is closing their plants for 11 days to reduce inventory. I expect most other manufacturers will do so or have already done so, I know the Ford plant in Louisville has. I think the next 3-4 months will be the best time to buy, after that it will be business as usual.
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Re: Thanks [jipster] by fezo
Jan 07, 2009 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: jipster (Jan 07, 2009 12:34 pm)

I'll believe that when I see it. I think the promotions will go pretty deep into the year. Of course I'm not buying at the moment so if I'm wrong I don't care....
 
I do expect to have some spikes of cars that are debuting this year - like that Fusion Hybrid which is getting tons of good ink. Isn't the new Insight coming out as well? I expect good things there even as I'm amazed that Honda hasn't done better in the hybrid department. So far Toyota has really nailed that.
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Re: Thanks [oldfarmer50] by jmonroe
Jan 07, 2009 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 07, 2009 11:45 am)

Come back when the deal is finished and tell us all the details so everyone can tell you what you did wrong and how you got cheated.
 
ooo-we…I can’t wait for that day. I’ll be up all night critiquing that deal.
 
jmonroe
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Re: Thanks [jmonroe] by driver100
Jan 07, 2009 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: jmonroe (Jan 07, 2009 10:38 am)

I’ll learn to live with it just like I had to re-teach myself not to pump my breaks but rather let the ABS system do that for me and believe me that took some doing.
 
I am the same, I don't trust computers more than me, but the fact is it can react and calculate way faster than most of us can. Once you get used to ABS and that weird pumping feeling you do realize it does a better job of stopping than most humans could do.
 
Many cars also now have automatic break reaction. If you put your foot on the break really fast the car knows it and will apply full stopping power. If you think about it, this is a very worthwhile feature.
 
No, I don't own any stock in or own a share of, or knowingly have relatives or friends involved in making parts for the automotive industry. I am like you, drove 3 speed sticks on the column, bald tires, weak breaks, cracked windshields, no seat belts, engine would cut out on hills....I am lucky to still be here! But, because of the other guy and knowing we all have certain limitations, I want every safety device known to man that I can reasonably afford.
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Re: Thanks [richard64] by driver100
Jan 07, 2009 (3:41 pm)
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Replying to: richard64 (Jan 07, 2009 10:30 am)

Richard, I think you are wise to sit on the fence for awhile. IMO the recession will get worse in the next quarter and those deals will still be out there. I don't like to put a damper on anyones dreams, and I can understand wanting that Black GS...it is the kind of car we always dreamed about. But, your second thoughts about stability control and airbags has to be addressed. Let me quote from a very worthwhile article:
 
Effectiveness
Numerous studies around the world confirm that ESC is highly effective in helping the driver maintain control of the car and saving lives and reducing the severity of crashes.[25] In the fall of 2004 in the U.S., the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration confirmed the international studies, releasing results of a field study in the U.S. of ESC effectiveness. NHTSA concluded that ESC reduces crashes by 35%. Additionally, Sport utility vehicles (SUVs) with stability control are involved in 67% fewer accidents than SUVs without the system. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) issued its own study in June 2006 showing that up to 10,000 fatal US crashes could be avoided annually if all vehicles were equipped with ESC[26] The IIHS study concluded that ESC reduces the likelihood of all fatal crashes by 43%, fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56%, and fatal single-vehicle rollovers by 77-80%.

 
ESC is described as the most important advance in auto safety since the seat belt by many experts.[27] including Nicole Nason,[28] Administrator of the NHTSA,[29] Jim Guest and David Champion[30] of Consumers Union[31] Max Mosley of the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA), E-Safety Aware,[32] Csaba Csere, editor of Car and Driver,[33] and Bill Kozyra, CEO of Continental Automotive Systems[29] The European New Car Assessment Program (EuroNCAP) "strongly recommends" that people buy cars fitted with stability control.[34]
 
The IIHS and Consumer Reports are so impressed with ESC that vehicles cannot earn their Top Safety Pick ratings without ESC (I am not sure how the GM got 5 stars)
 
To see more and to see how it works go to;
electronic stability control
Another thing is spending $3000 or so more for a car that will last you at least 10 years is less than $300 a year, so extra cost isn't too much of a factor. I think asking the great salesman from above for some guidance would be wise.....it's a beautiful car but it is a major and important decision to get it right.
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Re: Thanks [driver100] by explorerx4
Jan 07, 2009 (4:51 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Jan 07, 2009 3:41 pm)

driver, i don't think you understand that some of us grew up without all the eletronic helpers and we are have no fear driving a car without them.
give me a car that has an engine that runs, a steering wheel that turns the car at some point, 4 tires with air, and brakes that can actually stop the car after a while.
i'll take it from there.
the police have tried many different vehicles over the years, but what do they keep buying?
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Re: Can they really do that? [percussionist] by explorerx4
Jan 07, 2009 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: percussionist (Jan 07, 2009 10:42 am)

drive to MD to buy a car? no way, take amtrak.

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