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Re: Discussing trade-in when buying a car [dino001] by jipster
Dec 29, 2008 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: dino001 (Dec 29, 2008 12:19 pm)

When I was working on my last two cars, the dealers gave me a full itemization of my deal. It's really not that hard,
 
That would be okay, as long as it was itemized (seperate). I would want to see car price, trade price, fees, etc. I just wouldn't care for a deal where the salesman comes out and says, "with your trade-in the price of Car X is $15,000". You can get a rough guesstimate of your trade-in's value with weeks of research, but still you don't know a dealerships financial situation or what profit margins they are shooting for at that time. So, definitely get a number on a trade.
 
But, my primary focus is on buying the car I want at the price I want to pay. My "older" car trade-ins are secondary. If I can't get a decent price, which I usually don't, then I just sell the car myself.
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Re: Toyota Losing Money [dtezla] by driver100
Dec 29, 2008 (1:18 pm)
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Replying to: dtezla (Dec 29, 2008 12:31 pm)

I don't know why (considering I'm young), but I've never liked the ride quality of the BMW (or Mercedes) that I've driven.
 
It is an aquired taste like fine. It seems logical to most Americans that the softer the ride and the lighter the steering is makes a more comfortable car. But to get that spongy feeling you lose the feel of the road and the lack of precise steering. Since half the population in America is overweight it might seem that cars with big interiors and big seats ( one reason there are so many mini vans and SUVs around), and that are softer riding and have light steering are more comfortable, but to get a sense of the driving surface, firmer ride, firmer steering, better cornering, you have to go to a BMW, MB or even VW. You won't get that in an Impala...which is boring to drive.....just a living room couch with a steering wheel. If you equate loose steering, soft ride, big seats with no side support as more comfortable....then there's lots of cars to choose from.
Cadillac is becoming more European in road handing ability because GM knows the people who buy these cars want to experience the "feel of the road". Think of it as the difference between driving a limousine or hearse compared to a Corvette, only not as extreme.
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Re: No Certified Checks? [oldfarmer50] by dtezla
Dec 29, 2008 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Dec 29, 2008 4:19 am)

I know that I personally saw two fake cashier checks in the last year. Outside the car business, we're seeing a ton of them.
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Re: Discussing trade-in when buying a car [jipster] by golic
Dec 29, 2008 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: jipster (Dec 29, 2008 12:41 pm)

What does it really matter how they got to "C" if you are happy.
 
Back in my youth I always negotiated at "C" or as you may say the difference. A= sales price less B= trade in = C the difference. I remember telling one salesman, just give me a $1 for the trade in, I don't care- but all I willing to commit to is "c".
 
I try to be fully informed as possible today when buying a car and I don't want my salesman to pull any surprises, so I don't pull any either. My last experiences, I went out to CarMax and this other car purchases, and had two "valid" quotes for purchase of my trade-in.
 
When it came to the trade-in question I simply said, if we can agree on a making a deal, I will interested in trading my old car in, so you are more than welcome to inspect it as we talk (I then did give them the valet key - yes just some old school paranoia on my part).
 
First time I did this...dealer came in under and I told them I had a better quote, and they moved up to match. Which was more than a match since the sales tax thing was then factored in.
 
Last time i did this..dealer blew away both quotes by $1,500 and I lost my poker face and agreed without trying for more.
 
I don't think you have to keep the separate, but you can have two simultaneous transactions in the works. Of course you can ALWAYS get more going ebay/craigslist..but honestly I just don't have the patience or nerves to have people come to my home/office and then take a payment.
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Re: Discussing trade-in when buying a car [laurasdada] by isellhondas
Dec 29, 2008 (4:25 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 29, 2008 10:12 am)

That 1999 Chrysler is a great example of a used car that nobody wants at any price unless there is something exceptional about it like extreme low miles.
 
Sometimes deals are lost because the appraiser is scared to death the car will "no sale" at the auction like the last three did. As a result, the offere is so low the customer walks.
 
Another store makes a decision to pay more and a deal is struck.
 
Three months later the Chrysler finally gets bought by a wholesaler and hundreds of dollars are lost in the process.
 
Being a Used Car Manager is NOT an easy job!
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Re: Out the Door Price?? [jipster] by tidester HOST
Dec 29, 2008 (4:31 pm)
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Replying to: jipster (Dec 29, 2008 11:35 am)

You would really bring in an 11 (?) year old Hyundai to a dealership to trade?
 
Sometimes, it's a fine line between a relic and a classic!
 
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
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Re: Discussing trade-in when buying a car [golic] by mako1a
Dec 29, 2008 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: golic (Dec 29, 2008 1:30 pm)

I've done many trades and sometimes acted as tricky as the dealers.
 
Once I was quoted a trade figure I liked with a difference I didn't like. I said lets do the "you buy mine" part then we'll do the "I buy yours" part later. Of course that didn't work.
 
Once they raised the price of my target vehicle upon me adding a trade to the mix as I was just short of the full cash for the buy. Another no go.
 
Another time I brought a guy from work that agreed to buy my Explorer LTD at dealer trade. He agreed and then saved me another 3k off the price on my purchase since I didn't have a trade. Win Win.
 
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Re: Toyota Losing Money [driver100] by jmonroe
Dec 29, 2008 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Dec 29, 2008 1:18 pm)

But to get that spongy feeling you lose the feel of the road and the lack of precise steering.
 
Cadillac is becoming more European in road handing ability because GM knows the people who buy these cars want to experience the "feel of the road".

 
You guys that say you like the “feel of the road” really sleigh me. If that were true you would be walking not driving.
 
...which is boring to drive.....just a living room couch with a steering wheel.
 
Now you’re talkin. I’ll take my couch with the “double-cushion option”. There is nothing like the ride of a Buick when you are on the highway (driving that is).
 
jmonroe
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Re: Out the Door Price?? [tidester] by snakeweasel
Dec 29, 2008 (6:20 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Dec 29, 2008 4:31 pm)

Believe it or not I had someone in a parking lot last summer ask me if I was interested in selling it. The Elantra station wagon does have a small but loyal following.
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Re: Out the Door Price?? [snakeweasel] by fezo
Dec 29, 2008 (6:53 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Dec 29, 2008 6:20 pm)

Oddly (VERY oddly) I could see that. Not too many people make small wagons anymore. For some reason I like wagons. If they made nothing but wagons and convertibles I wouldn't mind it a bit.

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