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Re: Hope all the headlines read this way [joel0622] by houdini1
Dec 10, 2008 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Dec 10, 2008 6:13 am)

They keep saying that no one wants to buy GM cars, etc. but the facts are that in 2007 GM sold more cars than Toyota worldwide. If I remember the numbers correctly both sold around 7 million cars with GM selling slightly more than Toyota. In that same year Toyota had a profit of around $17 billion and GM lost $38 billion.
 
Now what does that tell you? It tells me that GM can build cars that people will buy but that their management must be really, really poor and their expenses are way too high. So what is their plan to fix this?
 
They want a loan of several billion dollars so they can build cars that will compete with the Japanese. What? Nothing about cutting expenses and making management changes, etc. Did I mention poor management?
 
At least they were smart enough to go to the right people for help. People who understand the way they think and operate their business. I am sure they will get their "loan".
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Re: Hope all the headlines read this way [houdini1] by richard64
Dec 10, 2008 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 10, 2008 12:07 pm)

"At least they were smart enough to go to the right people for help."
 
I thought about that as well. I believe that the three roosters went to the hen house and got what they wanted.
 
Richard
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test drives [chikoo] by laurasdada
Dec 10, 2008 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 10, 2008 12:07 pm)

"Shows what kind of losers they cater to..."
 
Hey, do I resemble that remark? The salesman noted we were intelligent but foolish (not to buy this fab deal!). But he never called us losers. To our face...!
 
If you know exactly what a timshare is, what you're getting into, it can be fine for some folks. Just be intelligent enough and none too foolish to know it is NOT an investment!
 
A sad part of the day was our time at the indoor pool/hot tub. There was an older couple there, the gentleman in obvious ill-health. I spoke to his wife, they had bought into this timeshare many years ago. At that time, the spa area was striclty for the timeshare owners. This couple came to use the pool/spa regularly for excersize/therapy as the husband had arthritis, cancer and other (unfortunate) maladies. Now, the pool was open to all the people who came for the presentation and most flaunted the rules of the pool. She complimented my well-behaved kids, but there were a couple of other families where the parents were ignoring the kids who were jumping, screaming, running in/around the pool (ignoring all the posted signs) as this poor older gentleman was trying to do his aqua-excersizes. I really felt bad for those folks. Another timeshare caveat, I guess. The bylaws can change...
 
At this year's Auto Show, this timeshare outfit had a booth, I entered a contest. I'm expecting my invitation any moment now!
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr by graphicguy
Dec 10, 2008 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: mjfloyd1 (Dec 10, 2008 12:03 pm)

Mark....I was there this past summer. It is a very nice place. The Casino is relatively new. But again, it's no nicer than some of the other ones around here. Then again, a big gambling junket for me is to take $100 to the craps table, or to the black jack table. Even that's a rarity. But, while I don't remember what the cost was at the time as it was about 15 years ago, I remembered thinking that I wouldn't want to be tied to the property for a vacation every year. And, to change to one of their other vacation sites, the fees piled up. That was on top of some pretty hefty initial buy prices and fees.
 
Whereas, if I wanted to go (as I did) for a weekend, with vouchers, deals, etc that you can find fairly easily, it ended up being about $300 for a two night stay in the main hotel. Will I go back? Probably...if the deal is right. But, I doubt I'd do it next year, or the year after that.
 
There are just too many good travel deals out there right now to commit to one resort chains vacation spots.
 
I'm a golfer. While that new course is supposed to be nice, I don't know that it will be any nicer than some of the ones that are closer to home for me. And, if I were to go again, I'd probably wouldn't want to do it with a bunch of guys. I consider it more of a romantic getaway. When I do those, I don't take my clubs with me, as I hope to have better things to do.
 
I've travelled a lot for work. When I want to go for relaxation, I don't think you can do better than a cruise. You got your ocean. You've got your food. You've got your casino (if that's your thing). You've got your shows. You've got different port of calls.
 
And, right now, you can score a cheap one. Given the included meals and shows, you can do a cruise for much less than a week in any of those vacation membership deals.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr [graphicguy] by joel0622
Dec 10, 2008 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 1:45 pm)

Give me the ocean, sand, and a cooler of beer.
 
We go to Myrtle Beach every year and usually get about 10 calls during the week pitching the time share deal.
 
My Uncle went once and he got a real nive Nike Driver and 18 Holes at a local course.
 
He ignored them the whole time and told them that he was leaving with his Driver and golf pass at 11:00 am if they were done or not
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr [graphicguy] by mjfloyd1
Dec 10, 2008 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 1:45 pm)

I agree completely. I don't want to be locked into going the same place year after year either. My wife keeps looking at houses to buy in southern states with ocean frontage, but then you're locked in and have to deal with all the maintenance.
 
The Pete Dye golf course is supposed to be the longest course in the US and is very hilly and narrow. Should be a challenge - especially when I hit short and to the right - but that's another story all together. My wife wanted me to get graphite shafts - I guess so it'd go farther to the right, I'd never find my ball in the woods then.
 
You're right about the cost - pretty inexpensive usually. The casino is being made to look like the French Lick hotel and no longer like a boat and it's being expanded with a larger high roller area and an in-casino buffet, so it may or may not be slightly different then even this last summer.
 
To keep on topic, I just bought an 08 Acura MDX with tech package.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr [graphicguy] by jipster
Dec 10, 2008 (2:30 pm)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 1:45 pm)

Larry Bird... the hick from French Lick.
 
The wife and I went to French Lick about 14 years ago... pre-kids. Reminded me a lot of the Overlook Hotel from The Shining... with the long spooky corridors. Kept thinking a crazy guy named Jack would pop around a corner and nail me with an axe. But, it was nice. We may go back one of these years.
 
Cruise sounds good. Looked into several a couple weeks ago. Only $400 for 7 day Caribbean cruise, eats included, kids free (sold out while we were thinking about it). Reminded me of buying a car though, a lot of mop n glow add ons. You pay the initial fee, then you have a lot of stuff not included in the price, i.e port fee $150 per person, a tipping fee of $15 a day per person, round trip air fare, casino loses, money for booze (for the wife) etc. Still a good deal with all the add-ons... may still end up going this summer.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr [mjfloyd1] by houdini1
Dec 10, 2008 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: mjfloyd1 (Dec 10, 2008 2:18 pm)

The Pete Dye golf course is supposed to be the longest course in the US
 
I am never concerned about the length of a golf course. I need width !!
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr by graphicguy
Dec 10, 2008 (3:21 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 10, 2008 3:01 pm)

I am never concerned about the length of a golf course. I need width !!
 
I'm with ya brother. I'll whack it all day, as long as I can stay away from things like water, trees, tall fescue, dirt, mud, sand, and "out of bounds" signs.
 
jipster....that hotel does indeed remind me of the "Shining". That movie still creeps me out.
 
Sometimes tough to do, but if you can stay away from the "art auctions", the jewelry presentations, etc, you can usually do fine on a cruise. Although the one I took with my son for his 21st birthday had him believing since he was legal, it was his duty to drink the bars dry. Good thing he's a rookie. He got sick (and learned a good lesson) the first day on board. Me thinks it was the tequila.
 
Still ended up with a $350 bar bill, once I added wine with dinner.
 
Can't imagine a better deal than cruising right now, though.

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