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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr by graphicguy
Dec 10, 2008 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: driver100 (Dec 10, 2008 10:36 am)

You guys are getting all the really nice places to get your pitches for timeshares, vacation packages. This was a long while ago, but I remember the (then) wife spying one of those "come ons" on the local newspaper. Unfortunately, it was for "free" weekend at French Lick, IN (go ahead....let the jokes begin). For those of you unfamiliar, it's an OLD resort, that happens to be the home town of NBA star and coach Larry Bird.
 
It's the site of what used to be a grand resort that people when to at the turn of last century for the healing properties of the "springs" (which smelled a lot like sulphur) that ran under and around it. The hotel was grand. And, they were planning condos, a golf course, and an entire vacation community around it.
 
Well, "free" got my attention. And, although in the middle of the boondocks, it was within driving distance. Beautiful room in the hotel. Good meals and a "free couple's massage were promised. But, not until we had to sit through the "presentation".
 
The rest you guys already know. It was a hard sell for a time share. Our sales guy did things like you guys have described. Telling me how my wife deserved to be treated luxuriously all the time....how we could imagine many romantic weeks of joy, fun, intimacy, etc. On and on he went.
 
People ringing bells all the time when one of the sales people "closed" someone. Even had charts and graphs of how it was a good financial decision (I never made the connection).
 
When I didn't crack, he focused on my wife. Long and short of it, she wanted it. I didn't. It was a frosty ride home, to say the least.
 
I've been back since. Not as a time share customer, but just as a weekend getaway. It has tuned into something of a "destination" location. But, by the time you add in all the fees, the down payment, the yearly stipend, the monetary additions charged to change locations of their "worldwide vacation spots", the deal wasn't really a deal at all.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr [graphicguy] by boomchek
Dec 10, 2008 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 11:04 am)

by the time you add in all the fees, the down payment, the yearly stipend, the monetary additions charged to change locations of their "worldwide vacation spots", the deal wasn't really a deal at all.
 
I agree. Same with the presentation we had. You buy into the plan, and have X amount of points to use in a year, but if you don't use them you can carry the pver to the next year, and you can pay extra to stay longer, or upgrade, or change plans etc......
 
The way I see it, it's basically a very expensive membership that gives you discounts on their hotels and resorts
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr [graphicguy] by mjfloyd1
Dec 10, 2008 (12:03 pm)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 11:04 am)

We just went there after Thanksgiving. Bill Cook has put over $500 million dollars into the French Lick Springs Resort (supposedly it was called lick springs by native americans because deer would come there to lick the salty mineral deposits and then the French came over from Vincennes and renamed it French Lick) and West Baden. It's getting better each day - it has a casino and a new Pete Dye golf course is just about to open and host a PGA event. There's a large indoor water park opening soon too. It's a nice getaway just to see the beauty of the structures and their renovation. The West Baden hotel was the largest unsupported dome until the Houston Astrodome was built. It also hosted the World Class Driving Event this last September. A friend went for the driving event and drove several Ferraris and Lambos.
 
Google it. It's pretty neat.
Mark.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test drives [laurasdada] by chikoo
Dec 10, 2008 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 09, 2008 1:40 pm)

>It was a long presentation, but we had no plans. It got comical at the end, especially when they told us they could actually get us financing at 18.95%! After I picked myself up off the floor from laughter, they noted that with good credit they could cut it to "around 15%..." Good thing the fall to the floor was a short one...!
 
Shows what kind of losers they cater to
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Re: Hope all the headlines read this way [joel0622] by houdini1
Dec 10, 2008 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Dec 10, 2008 6:13 am)

They keep saying that no one wants to buy GM cars, etc. but the facts are that in 2007 GM sold more cars than Toyota worldwide. If I remember the numbers correctly both sold around 7 million cars with GM selling slightly more than Toyota. In that same year Toyota had a profit of around $17 billion and GM lost $38 billion.
 
Now what does that tell you? It tells me that GM can build cars that people will buy but that their management must be really, really poor and their expenses are way too high. So what is their plan to fix this?
 
They want a loan of several billion dollars so they can build cars that will compete with the Japanese. What? Nothing about cutting expenses and making management changes, etc. Did I mention poor management?
 
At least they were smart enough to go to the right people for help. People who understand the way they think and operate their business. I am sure they will get their "loan".
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Re: Hope all the headlines read this way [houdini1] by richard64
Dec 10, 2008 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 10, 2008 12:07 pm)

"At least they were smart enough to go to the right people for help."
 
I thought about that as well. I believe that the three roosters went to the hen house and got what they wanted.
 
Richard
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test drives [chikoo] by laurasdada
Dec 10, 2008 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 10, 2008 12:07 pm)

"Shows what kind of losers they cater to..."
 
Hey, do I resemble that remark? The salesman noted we were intelligent but foolish (not to buy this fab deal!). But he never called us losers. To our face...!
 
If you know exactly what a timshare is, what you're getting into, it can be fine for some folks. Just be intelligent enough and none too foolish to know it is NOT an investment!
 
A sad part of the day was our time at the indoor pool/hot tub. There was an older couple there, the gentleman in obvious ill-health. I spoke to his wife, they had bought into this timeshare many years ago. At that time, the spa area was striclty for the timeshare owners. This couple came to use the pool/spa regularly for excersize/therapy as the husband had arthritis, cancer and other (unfortunate) maladies. Now, the pool was open to all the people who came for the presentation and most flaunted the rules of the pool. She complimented my well-behaved kids, but there were a couple of other families where the parents were ignoring the kids who were jumping, screaming, running in/around the pool (ignoring all the posted signs) as this poor older gentleman was trying to do his aqua-excersizes. I really felt bad for those folks. Another timeshare caveat, I guess. The bylaws can change...
 
At this year's Auto Show, this timeshare outfit had a booth, I entered a contest. I'm expecting my invitation any moment now!
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr by graphicguy
Dec 10, 2008 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: mjfloyd1 (Dec 10, 2008 12:03 pm)

Mark....I was there this past summer. It is a very nice place. The Casino is relatively new. But again, it's no nicer than some of the other ones around here. Then again, a big gambling junket for me is to take $100 to the craps table, or to the black jack table. Even that's a rarity. But, while I don't remember what the cost was at the time as it was about 15 years ago, I remembered thinking that I wouldn't want to be tied to the property for a vacation every year. And, to change to one of their other vacation sites, the fees piled up. That was on top of some pretty hefty initial buy prices and fees.
 
Whereas, if I wanted to go (as I did) for a weekend, with vouchers, deals, etc that you can find fairly easily, it ended up being about $300 for a two night stay in the main hotel. Will I go back? Probably...if the deal is right. But, I doubt I'd do it next year, or the year after that.
 
There are just too many good travel deals out there right now to commit to one resort chains vacation spots.
 
I'm a golfer. While that new course is supposed to be nice, I don't know that it will be any nicer than some of the ones that are closer to home for me. And, if I were to go again, I'd probably wouldn't want to do it with a bunch of guys. I consider it more of a romantic getaway. When I do those, I don't take my clubs with me, as I hope to have better things to do.
 
I've travelled a lot for work. When I want to go for relaxation, I don't think you can do better than a cruise. You got your ocean. You've got your food. You've got your casino (if that's your thing). You've got your shows. You've got different port of calls.
 
And, right now, you can score a cheap one. Given the included meals and shows, you can do a cruise for much less than a week in any of those vacation membership deals.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr [graphicguy] by joel0622
Dec 10, 2008 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 1:45 pm)

Give me the ocean, sand, and a cooler of beer.
 
We go to Myrtle Beach every year and usually get about 10 calls during the week pitching the time share deal.
 
My Uncle went once and he got a real nive Nike Driver and 18 Holes at a local course.
 
He ignored them the whole time and told them that he was leaving with his Driver and golf pass at 11:00 am if they were done or not

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