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Re: Warranty Worries? [isellhondas] by richard64
Dec 10, 2008 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Dec 09, 2008 6:20 pm)

I did. Richard
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Re: Warranty Worries? [richard64] by fezo
Dec 10, 2008 (9:21 am)
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Replying to: richard64 (Dec 10, 2008 8:23 am)

Thanks folks.
 
Joel, I think the longer this has gone on the more people are realizing that we are dealing with three separate entities and when they realize that Ford looks pretty good. I remember when Mulally mortgaged everything and I thought he was crazy. Guess he's smarter than me!
 
Obviously Ford does buy into the idea that it's bad for them if the other two go down which is why they are supporting the package in Congress.
 
Maybe the guy owned the dealership and getting the insurance on those cars was the only way he'd ever see the money..... Creative financing.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test drives [richard64] by wlbrown9
Dec 10, 2008 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: richard64 (Dec 09, 2008 4:18 pm)

About 7-8 years ago took the wife, step-daughter and her boyfriend to Cancun, stayed at one of the Americana resorts. Kept getting messages from the desk in the lobby...finally stopped by and found it was a pitch for their Fiesta Key vacation plan...no thanks. I paid good money to get the all-inclusive plan down there...not going to waste time for a sales pitch. Was already pissed that I wasted half a day so step-daughter and boyfriend could go to the water park and swim with the dolphins. Big waste of my time.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test drives [wlbrown9] by driver100
Dec 10, 2008 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: wlbrown9 (Dec 10, 2008 10:17 am)

Cancun, stayed at one of the Americana resorts. Kept getting messages from the desk in the lobby...finally stopped by and found it was a pitch for their Fiesta Key vacation plan...no thanks.
 
They are so slick in Cancun. When you get off the plane you see all these booths that say they are INFORMATION booths. You think it is a public service for free. They give you nice maps and brochures, they are all very friendly. Then when you say thank you they tell you all the maps and junk are $10 unless you go to a presentation which includes a buffet lunch...lol. Well, I'd rather pay 10 bucks than suffer through the lunch and fight off swarming sales people. The maps were worth the 10 bucks.
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Re: Local Car dealer [m6vx] by boomchek
Dec 10, 2008 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: m6vx (Dec 10, 2008 8:06 am)

No mental health issue?
  
Uh.... a normal person does not do this!

 
Exactly my thoughts. Unless it's a normal and common occurence in that city.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr by graphicguy
Dec 10, 2008 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: driver100 (Dec 10, 2008 10:36 am)

You guys are getting all the really nice places to get your pitches for timeshares, vacation packages. This was a long while ago, but I remember the (then) wife spying one of those "come ons" on the local newspaper. Unfortunately, it was for "free" weekend at French Lick, IN (go ahead....let the jokes begin). For those of you unfamiliar, it's an OLD resort, that happens to be the home town of NBA star and coach Larry Bird.
 
It's the site of what used to be a grand resort that people when to at the turn of last century for the healing properties of the "springs" (which smelled a lot like sulphur) that ran under and around it. The hotel was grand. And, they were planning condos, a golf course, and an entire vacation community around it.
 
Well, "free" got my attention. And, although in the middle of the boondocks, it was within driving distance. Beautiful room in the hotel. Good meals and a "free couple's massage were promised. But, not until we had to sit through the "presentation".
 
The rest you guys already know. It was a hard sell for a time share. Our sales guy did things like you guys have described. Telling me how my wife deserved to be treated luxuriously all the time....how we could imagine many romantic weeks of joy, fun, intimacy, etc. On and on he went.
 
People ringing bells all the time when one of the sales people "closed" someone. Even had charts and graphs of how it was a good financial decision (I never made the connection).
 
When I didn't crack, he focused on my wife. Long and short of it, she wanted it. I didn't. It was a frosty ride home, to say the least.
 
I've been back since. Not as a time share customer, but just as a weekend getaway. It has tuned into something of a "destination" location. But, by the time you add in all the fees, the down payment, the yearly stipend, the monetary additions charged to change locations of their "worldwide vacation spots", the deal wasn't really a deal at all.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr [graphicguy] by boomchek
Dec 10, 2008 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 11:04 am)

by the time you add in all the fees, the down payment, the yearly stipend, the monetary additions charged to change locations of their "worldwide vacation spots", the deal wasn't really a deal at all.
 
I agree. Same with the presentation we had. You buy into the plan, and have X amount of points to use in a year, but if you don't use them you can carry the pver to the next year, and you can pay extra to stay longer, or upgrade, or change plans etc......
 
The way I see it, it's basically a very expensive membership that gives you discounts on their hotels and resorts
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test dr [graphicguy] by mjfloyd1
Dec 10, 2008 (12:03 pm)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 11:04 am)

We just went there after Thanksgiving. Bill Cook has put over $500 million dollars into the French Lick Springs Resort (supposedly it was called lick springs by native americans because deer would come there to lick the salty mineral deposits and then the French came over from Vincennes and renamed it French Lick) and West Baden. It's getting better each day - it has a casino and a new Pete Dye golf course is just about to open and host a PGA event. There's a large indoor water park opening soon too. It's a nice getaway just to see the beauty of the structures and their renovation. The West Baden hotel was the largest unsupported dome until the Houston Astrodome was built. It also hosted the World Class Driving Event this last September. A friend went for the driving event and drove several Ferraris and Lambos.
 
Google it. It's pretty neat.
Mark.
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Re: Auto Dealers are using Gas Vouchers and Travel Certificates for test drives [laurasdada] by chikoo
Dec 10, 2008 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 09, 2008 1:40 pm)

>It was a long presentation, but we had no plans. It got comical at the end, especially when they told us they could actually get us financing at 18.95%! After I picked myself up off the floor from laughter, they noted that with good credit they could cut it to "around 15%..." Good thing the fall to the floor was a short one...!
 
Shows what kind of losers they cater to
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Re: Hope all the headlines read this way [joel0622] by houdini1
Dec 10, 2008 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Dec 10, 2008 6:13 am)

They keep saying that no one wants to buy GM cars, etc. but the facts are that in 2007 GM sold more cars than Toyota worldwide. If I remember the numbers correctly both sold around 7 million cars with GM selling slightly more than Toyota. In that same year Toyota had a profit of around $17 billion and GM lost $38 billion.
 
Now what does that tell you? It tells me that GM can build cars that people will buy but that their management must be really, really poor and their expenses are way too high. So what is their plan to fix this?
 
They want a loan of several billion dollars so they can build cars that will compete with the Japanese. What? Nothing about cutting expenses and making management changes, etc. Did I mention poor management?
 
At least they were smart enough to go to the right people for help. People who understand the way they think and operate their business. I am sure they will get their "loan".

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