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Replying to: fezo (Dec 09, 2008 5:52 pm) I was thinking last night about how some of the long time posters here seem to have become friends. Yeah, we fight every once in a while. But, overall I can say that all of you have made tough times just a little easier to bare. joel, while I don't think the "bailout" plan has enough teeth, it's probably a compromise we can all live with. If nothing else, the CEOs have received a big dose of well deserved humility. A month ago, their arrogance was just off the charts. Let's see if they keep their jobs. Let's also see if these companies can finally put themselves on sound product and financial footing. I think in the end, anything that restores confidence to the American public is a good thing. I only wish the financial markets would adopt a little of that humility. Right now, I don't have any confidence in any of them....that they're ready to do things that are right. The way I see this playing out, Chrysler has no choice but to merge, AT NO COST, with GM. Daimler and Cerebus have to take the bitter pill. It was their fault that they put chrysler in the predicament they're in. GM, as they've admitted (which is something Chrysler should do, also), needs to step up their quality, while providing products that people want. I think it's obvious that Pontiac is going away. Probably Saturn, too. Jeep may survive. Don't have much hope for the Chrysler or Dodge brands. Ford, as bad as things are, seem to be sitting in the best position. If they can right their ship, without tapping into the lines of credit, they'll be better off. Toyota has spent way too much time and energy trying to usurp GM. I don't think the worst times are behind them, yet. Honda seems to be staying the course. That's not a bad thing. All the rest, European brands, Korean brands....all of them are going to suffer along side the Detroit brands. Again, a little humility would go a long way in righting their ships if they want to continue success in the U.S.
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Replying to: isellhondas (Dec 09, 2008 6:20 pm)
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Replying to: richard64 (Dec 10, 2008 8:23 am) Joel, I think the longer this has gone on the more people are realizing that we are dealing with three separate entities and when they realize that Ford looks pretty good. I remember when Mulally mortgaged everything and I thought he was crazy. Guess he's smarter than me! Obviously Ford does buy into the idea that it's bad for them if the other two go down which is why they are supporting the package in Congress. Maybe the guy owned the dealership and getting the insurance on those cars was the only way he'd ever see the money..... Creative financing. |
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Replying to: richard64 (Dec 09, 2008 4:18 pm)
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Replying to: wlbrown9 (Dec 10, 2008 10:17 am) They are so slick in Cancun. When you get off the plane you see all these booths that say they are INFORMATION booths. You think it is a public service for free. They give you nice maps and brochures, they are all very friendly. Then when you say thank you they tell you all the maps and junk are $10 unless you go to a presentation which includes a buffet lunch...lol. Well, I'd rather pay 10 bucks than suffer through the lunch and fight off swarming sales people. The maps were worth the 10 bucks. 
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Replying to: m6vx (Dec 10, 2008 8:06 am) Uh.... a normal person does not do this! Exactly my thoughts. Unless it's a normal and common occurence in that city. 
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Replying to: driver100 (Dec 10, 2008 10:36 am) It's the site of what used to be a grand resort that people when to at the turn of last century for the healing properties of the "springs" (which smelled a lot like sulphur) that ran under and around it. The hotel was grand. And, they were planning condos, a golf course, and an entire vacation community around it. Well, "free" got my attention. And, although in the middle of the boondocks, it was within driving distance. Beautiful room in the hotel. Good meals and a "free couple's massage were promised. But, not until we had to sit through the "presentation". The rest you guys already know. It was a hard sell for a time share. Our sales guy did things like you guys have described. Telling me how my wife deserved to be treated luxuriously all the time....how we could imagine many romantic weeks of joy, fun, intimacy, etc. On and on he went. People ringing bells all the time when one of the sales people "closed" someone. Even had charts and graphs of how it was a good financial decision (I never made the connection). When I didn't crack, he focused on my wife. Long and short of it, she wanted it. I didn't. It was a frosty ride home, to say the least. I've been back since. Not as a time share customer, but just as a weekend getaway. It has tuned into something of a "destination" location. But, by the time you add in all the fees, the down payment, the yearly stipend, the monetary additions charged to change locations of their "worldwide vacation spots", the deal wasn't really a deal at all. |
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 11:04 am) I agree. Same with the presentation we had. You buy into the plan, and have X amount of points to use in a year, but if you don't use them you can carry the pver to the next year, and you can pay extra to stay longer, or upgrade, or change plans etc...... The way I see it, it's basically a very expensive membership that gives you discounts on their hotels and resorts |
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Replying to: graphicguy (Dec 10, 2008 11:04 am) Google it. It's pretty neat. Mark.
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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 09, 2008 1:40 pm) Shows what kind of losers they cater to 
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