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Replying to: snakeweasel (Nov 12, 2008 9:18 pm) The models are: F-1: 1/2 ton (4,700 GVWR max) F-2: 3/4 ton (5,700 GVWR max) F-3: Heavy Duty 3/4 ton (6,800 GVWR max) F-3: Parcel Delivery (7,000 GVWR max) & optional rear spring pkg (7,800 GVWR max) F-4: 1 ton (7,500 GVWR max) & optional 1 1/4 ton pkg (10,000 GVWR max) F-5: 1 1/2 ton: Conventional, school bus, and cab over engine (C.O.E.) (10,000-14,500 GVWR) F-6: 2 ton: Conventional, school bus, and C.O.E. (14,000-16,000 GVWR) F-7: Conventional (17,000-19,000 GVWR) F-8: Conventional (20,000-22,000 GVWR) |
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 12, 2008 4:08 pm) What I'm noticing, people who are interested in this car, are also interested in 3 others exactly like it, albeit not in as good of shape, and with tiny miles. Plenty of interest, but as I'm sure a lot of sales people on these boards will tell you, people are being very careful with their money right now. My theory.....while I've got the cream of the used GM lot sitting in my driveway, there's no shortage of others on the market that people want to see/drive. I'll either get close to the "ask" price. Or, I'll keep it (for reasons I can't really explain). But, like your sale, I've got two people coming this a.m. to look at it. One is returning after seeing it (which means they've been shopping and found nothing better for the price). The other, via our phone conversation, thinks that if the car is what I say it is, would be perfect for them. Neither may show up, however. But, if they do, I'll be in the same situation you were in. I'm not out to rape anyone here. I just want what I consider a fair price. dino.....tough situation, from both the dealer's perspective, as well as yours. You've got the recent "guaranteed" trade value program, which has now expired (which was probably funded by the manufacturer). And, you've got the dealership, who's trying to make as much money as they can on used cars, since they can't make much money on the new side of the house. As you note, Edmunds, KBB, NADA, etc are guides. I've yet to see a situation where they were "dead on" in their used appraisals. But, since the dealer's done all the servicing, and they know the car is a fine example of the breed, I'd be a bit perplexed why they'd go "skinny" on the appraisal. Personally, I'd shop your car to a couple of different dealerships to get a "feel" for what the true trade value is. It might be $6K. It might be $7K. It might be $8K. You don't know unless you get more than one dealership to put a number on it. I definitely wouldn't have considered you a stroke, though
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Nov 12, 2008 4:08 pm) I didn’t have to resort to that when I was trying to sell a 67’ Impala (283 cid) in the mid 70’s with it’s share of rust and metal plates pop riveted to it in a few places, especially behind the rear wheels on both sides. It had low miles and ran great but it was definitely a beater and I had a price of $150 on it. I knew it was going to sell for that price and while a guy was looking at it for his son (not with him) he starts the typical negotiating, when all of a sudden Mrs.jmonroe comes out of the house and motions to me to come over to her. I said, “can it wait a minute”? The guy says, “let me listen to it again while you talk to your wife”. I talk, then he still wants me to take $50 off the price. I told him he’s the first one that’s come to look at it and if the guy on the phone doesn’t give me what I’m asking I’ll consider his offer. SOLD, no more negotiating.  jmonroe
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I got some great information from everyone who passed on comments regarding Snow/Winter tires. This is very worthwhile so I wanted to post it here as well. Sometimes I think dealers are not the best place to get work done....but I won't think that again! Just wanted to let you know what happened; Called 3 tire stores and total packages with rims were about $2000 Cdn or about $1600 U.S. Then I realized they probably weren't giving me prices for Run Flat Tires, so I checked and they weren't. One dealer had tires for $200 each and he said there was no advantage to putting them on rims...in fact it was more costly because of the air pressure sensers, so he could put on snows for under $1000. He said run flats would be $500 each - $400 U.S. Then I thought, maybe the dealer price of $1700 on with rims was better especially if they are talking Run Flats. So, the dealers price includes 4 RFTs, on steel rims, all balanced and ready to go, plus 4 tote bags, they know 2 will fit in the trunk and 2 on the back seat....and thats about $1300 U.S. installed so not bad considering. They are Blizzacks and I just looked up a great article that explained why the Blizzack won't last as long; Michelin claims its new tire will last 75 per cent longer than its main rival. The unnamed rival, I suspect, is the Bridgestone Blizzak. And that vast difference in wear rate would be based on the fact the Blizzak is a multicell compound for only 55 per cent of its tread depth. The remaining 45 per cent of the tire is a standard winter compound. To read more; Snow Tire Info Your comments were a big help. I really thought 2 snow tires would be enough, and I thought I would try to get through the winter without snow tires. But for $1700 the peace of mind is well worth it.
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Replying to: graphicguy (Nov 13, 2008 5:31 am) New 10-line ad in the paper today.. Same asking price... 68K miles..
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Replying to: kyfdx (Nov 13, 2008 8:15 am) Mine is the same car, with 1/2 the miles. Only difference is I didn't list all the "stuff" like that seller did. I also didn't get into the hyperbole that he listed like "immaculate", "premium" and "mint", although I could have. I just stated the facts. Guess I'm in a bidding war with some more competition. Now, it's a matter of pride as to "who's is better". I almost HAVE to sell it to prove my worthiness! |
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Replying to: jmonroe (Nov 13, 2008 7:02 am) Two things come to mind when I hear something like that from a seller. The first is "B"... the second is "S". Oldest trick in the book. I'm sure it happens from time to time, but I wouldn't let it influence me in paying more than I wanted.
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Nov 12, 2008 3:13 pm)  explorer....you're really stuck on these GMs. You've found yourself the preferred black one. If I were you, I'd pull the trigger on it. Or, buy mine. I'll even take it to Earl Schieb to make it the color you want. Update.....I'm in competition with another person selling a GM. This is bad. Sounds like we've both got a good car (mine's better 'cause I have 33k fewer miles on mine, though). Two sets of prospective buyers bouncing the latest offer from one to the other. The old KY couple has already called me twice trying to "play off" offers they got from my competition. I can't believe I'm losing out to someone with a prettier newspaper ad, with 2X the mileage, for essentially the same price (we're talking less than a $150 delta here). These old folks are trying to grind me. I don't buy that way. I won't sell that way. |
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Replying to: jipster (Nov 13, 2008 1:02 pm) No “trick” involved. When I asked him for his phone number so I could get back to him (if I had to) he’s reaching for his wallet. So, I told Mrs. jmonroe to tell the guy on the phone that it’s SOLD. I knew I had that car priced too low; the phone never stopped ringing for three days after the sale. I found out from a couple late callers, that asked what I sold it for, that I didn’t have it priced high enough. Because when they asked what I sold it for and I told them $150, just like my add stated, they said, “I would have given you more”.  jmonroe
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Replying to: graphicguy (Nov 13, 2008 1:15 pm) "...explorer...buy mine...I'll even take it to Earl Schieb..." "...I'm in competition with another person selling a GM..." "...I'm losing out to someone with a prettier newspaper ad..." "...These old folks are trying to grind me..." GG, whatever business you are in, quit. You should go right into car sales full time. You sound just like the sales guys in here. 
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