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Re: This is why I check them. All of them [graphicguy] by madmanmoo
Nov 12, 2008 (8:06 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Nov 12, 2008 6:33 am)

Awesome exchange between you and the lady. Some strange folks out there, Lol.
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Re: Earl Sheib [fezo] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Nov 12, 2008 (8:06 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 11, 2008 5:37 pm)

Cheap paint is cheap paint. It doesn't matter how well you prep the car, the paint cannot endure. But these cheapo shops are great if you have an old pickup or old beater. But if you put a Maaco paint job on a newer car of any real value you've just about ruined it IMO.
 
Quality paint and prep materials alone for a nice paint job would cost more than an entire Maaco paint job. What does that tell you?
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Re: This is why I check them. All of them [graphicguy] by kyfdx HOST
Nov 12, 2008 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Nov 12, 2008 6:33 am)

Then, they called, reneged on the deal when they found out that there's some sort of "tax" on the tags that is a percentage of the value of the car, instead of a flat tag fee (like in OH).
 
We pay property tax on cars... Not sure how this could be a surprise, if they've ever owned a car in Kentucky.. It is charged at the time you renew your registration, on any car that you owned on January 1st of that year. So, they don't have to pay it at the time of registration.. just the sales tax at that time.
 
I think my local tax works out to about 1.5%-2% of the NADA value, each year.. Tax deductible, if you itemize. I will say that it's a pretty good shock, to negotiate a great lease payment on an expensive car, but then have a big tax bill once per year, just like you owned it.
 
On a twelve-year-old Mercury? Probably $70/yr.
 
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: Earl Sheib [Mr_Shiftright] by graphicguy
Nov 12, 2008 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 12, 2008 8:06 am)

Shifty....I think those cheap paint places are used for exactly what we think. That is, someone's got a ratty looking car, and wants to move it. Make it pretty. If it lasts 1 year, or 1 month, doesn't matter. Again, this was a long time ago, but the car was worth $250. It had a $200 paint job. I sold it for $1,200.
 
From what you're saying, these places do little more than put food coloring in a couple gallons of water, and spray it.
 
IIRC, it took me two weeks to "prep" the car I had for paint. Cut out the rust. Bondo it. Sand it. Tape up the windows, emblems, door handles, head/tail lights, etc. It took "Scheib" about 30 minutes to do the entire car. Maybe another 20 minutes to "bake" the paint in some sort of heated room. Anything that wasn't taped or covered, got paint.
 
I was in and out in an hour.
 
They weren't real careful, that's for certain. I remember overspray was everywhere. It took me longer to get all the tape and coverings off than it took them to spray it.
 
ky....the couple didn't explain it to me the way you just did. Your explanation makes sense. They made it sound like there were hundreds of $$$ involved every year to get the tags renewed. I'm surprised they haven't shown up yet to retrieve their $500 deposit.
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Re: Earl Sheib [Mr_Shiftright] by roadburner
Nov 12, 2008 (10:21 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Nov 12, 2008 8:06 am)

Back when I had to serve time in Small Claims Court I had a lady who claimed the guy she hired to paint her car did a poor job. She was right, it wasn't very good- thin spots alternated with paint runs. When I asked her how much she paid the guy she told me $75. I told her that if you pay someone 75 bucks for a repaint you should count yourself lucky if the guy doesn't use a brush.
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Re: Earl Sheib [roadburner] by kirstie_h HOST
Nov 12, 2008 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: roadburner (Nov 12, 2008 10:21 am)

Well, while that's true, not everyone knows what they should be paying for a reasonable paint job. Maybe she thought $75 was fairly normal. And, unless the guy said, "I'll give you a totally crappy paint job for $75," which I doubt he did, she should have expected at the very least to have the entire car covered and look good when she drove away.
 
If someone tells me they'll remove a tree in my front yard for $75 and they leave 1/3 of it there, it's still wrong even if I got it at a major discount.
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Re: This is why I check them. All of them [graphicguy] by boomchek
Nov 12, 2008 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Nov 12, 2008 6:33 am)

Graphic Guy, look slike that's an extreme picky demographic of buyers you got on that Merc GM.
 
We get those too sometime. If I want to be a smart ass I'd say: Would you like the scratches to be removed on this 8 year old car? Yes, ok? It will coast you a bit more money, About $20k,instead of $8 but I'll get you a brand new version of this car
 
Today I had an email.... some guy low ballsus on a deeply discounted unit on the lot (that prevsious General Manager bought for too high). We discounted it about $4k below cost. Some guy emails me saying "I know you paid not more than $xxx for this unit, so I'll offer you $xxxx." which was still $2k under our rock bottom price.
 
I'm thinking,, wow you're so smart for knowing what are accounting books look like maybe you should come work for us.
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Re: This is why I check them. All of them [graphicguy] by jipster
Nov 12, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Nov 12, 2008 6:33 am)

Negotiating ploy?
 
I don't think so. A nice elderly couple leave you a $500 deposit (cash?).. probably wouldn't make the drive if it were a ploy. But, I'm an old softee on my private car sales. I tried to give money back once,( $20 after the sale) because the buyer talked about not having enough money for this or that. He wouldn't take it though.
 
If the price was "close enough" I would probably sell. Though we would miss out on the amusing "memorable encounters" you've provided us.
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Re: Snow Tires [driver100] by verdugo
Nov 12, 2008 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: driver100 (Nov 12, 2008 5:21 am)

Dealer wants $200 a season for storage, thats $400 a year.
 
Even if that's CAD, it's still highway robbery. Can't you store them at home? If you have a garage, you'll be surprised how little space you need. You can hang them from the wall, stack them, etc.
 
Check out a self storage unit. A very small one might be less than $400.
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Re: Earl Sheib [kirstie_h] by roadburner
Nov 12, 2008 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Nov 12, 2008 10:30 am)

Well, while that's true, not everyone knows what they should be paying for a reasonable paint job. Maybe she thought $75 was fairly normal. And, unless the guy said, "I'll give you a totally crappy paint job for $75," which I doubt he did, she should have expected at the very least to have the entire car covered and look good when she drove away
 
Well, there was a bit more to it than that. The plaintiff wanted her dark grey car painted white, and the painter testified that he told her that it probably wouldn't turn out all that well. Even so, I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who shop on price alone-with no research or references-and then are unhappy with their "great deal". FWIW the lady was seeking $1500 in damages.

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