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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [tidester] by british_rover
Aug 01, 2006 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Aug 01, 2006 9:26 am)

Nope never have.
 
But while I got you here I want to repeat a question. That I asked here...
 
Post #2565
 
I can use my personal account to share some videos of stuff with our cars if it is ok with the hosts. I will make sure you cannot see the dealership name anywhere on the videos.
 
Is that go or no go?
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [dc_driver] by steine13
Aug 01, 2006 (9:43 am)
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Replying to: dc_driver (Aug 01, 2006 9:04 am)

Free speech also means you (or B.H.) can sue the pants off anyone you like... I'm not personally afraid to say whatever I want, but "Free Speech" only means the government can't censor you... it sure doesn't mean you can run your mouth without fear of repercussions...
 
Car dealers usually don't sue for slander... they stay out of court whenever possible... hard to find a sympathetic jury, see...
 
-Mathias
(Who has never been taken for a ride by a car dealer yet. Private sellers have tried...)
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [jmonroe] by mikefm58
Aug 01, 2006 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: jmonroe (Aug 01, 2006 8:02 am)

" Old Bill has already been found guilty of some type/s of shady dealing/s and has paid a fine/s to at least one state "
 
Here in Orlando, there was a news article about Bill Heard being fined $250K by the state of Florida for deceptive practices.
 
And I agree with the folks about being careful with what you say on public fora.
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Re: This is [british_rover] by danf1
Aug 01, 2006 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 31, 2006 8:31 am)

Tell him to keep the team in Pittsburgh for me.
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [dc_driver] by jmurman42
Aug 01, 2006 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: dc_driver (Aug 01, 2006 9:04 am)

The 1st Amendment is about Free Speech, but not about calling some one a Thief...at that point unless you have verifiable proof of thievery you can be sued for slander.
 
If you don't believe me then go to a public forum and start spouting off about Tom Cruise and his religion.
 
Again I'm not saying that BH isn't always above board, I don't know the dealership or the man himself and have no dog in this hunt. I am just saying that to call someone a "Thief" based on what some folks say could get 'sticky' in the legal sense.
 
Just because we are using the Internet and Edmunds as a Public Forum doesn't give anyone the right to just spout off dergrading names to people.
 
That's all I'm going to say on the subject.
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Re: Story for ya... [afk_x] by jipster
Aug 01, 2006 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: afk_x (Aug 01, 2006 7:42 am)

He says well-let's show her she is paying $500 over our cost. It's our computer so I can make cost whatever I want.
 
Bingo! Apparently this practice is alive and well because I have been presented invoice papers before that were much higher(about $800) than what I had calculated from various sources. I stuck to my guns and the dealership came down to my price.
 
It sounds as if the liar was the salesmanager...not you. You were a party to the lie. But, it would not have been a good career move to tell the customer your boss had printed up a false invoice number. Would be interesting to have you go through some therapy to help you remember the traumatic "details", as yours was an interesting story.
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [jmurman42] by dc_driver
Aug 01, 2006 (10:27 am)
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Replying to: jmurman42 (Aug 01, 2006 10:12 am)

Point taken. I do agree with you that you should not use derogatory name calling, etc. But guess what. I live just outside DC and I see picketing and protesting all the time against various religions, institutions, governments, people, and yes companies (Walmart, GM, Exxon, etc). The first amendment does protect against freedom of speech, expression, and assembly. If I can picket on public land in front of Walmart with a sign, I surely can protest a particular company on the Internet...
 
Okay, I am done...
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [dc_driver] by mac24
Aug 01, 2006 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: dc_driver (Aug 01, 2006 10:27 am)

I surely can protest a particular company on the Internet...
 
Unless...........Bill Heard should join us here as a member.
 
Then of course, under the membership agreement, we would all have to treat him with respect.
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [jmurman42] by tsgeisel
Aug 01, 2006 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: jmurman42 (Aug 01, 2006 5:40 am)

From what I've heard and read, Bill Heard is a thief and a criminal.
 
There is nothing actionable in that statement, and I welcome the opportunity to prove that that's not slander.
 
This isn't England - the truth *is* proof against a slander lawsuit. And I can't imagine that someone who could look at those consumer complaints would think that "thief" and "criminal" aren't words that could be used, even if only as a bit of hyperbole.
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [british_rover] by tidester HOST
Aug 01, 2006 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Aug 01, 2006 9:36 am)

Is that go or no go?
 
I didn't realize the original post contained a question.
 
I don't see a problem as long as what you post cannot be construed as solicitation or advertising.
 
tidester, host

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