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Re: my 2 cents [snakeweasel] by the_big_al
Jun 27, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jul 31, 2006 5:12 am)

To make your 2 cents worth more, I also consider a metro area to be a little more than 100,000. I just moved from a "metro" area - (PHX, AZ) and I would consider it metro. How big I do not know but it into the millions (it's one of the top 4 or 5 largest metro area I think)...
 
Now I live in a smaller town in a different state, not far from Bend. Some would consider it metro and they even complain about the traffic, but I just don't get it. To kind of make this post on topic, I have yet to visit the dealers here, but there is only a couple BIG dealers that sell all different types. One sells Fords to Kia's and Hyndias the ither Dodges, Honda'a and Toytotas. A smaller Chevy dealer. But not a whole lot of selection. When I get ready to purchase my next vehicle I may just go back to AZ where I can have my pick of Dealers and or vehicle. But that all depends on what I am looking for I guess.
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [roundtrip] by louiswei
Aug 01, 2006 (3:17 am)
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Replying to: roundtrip (Jul 31, 2006 6:19 pm)

You know what we need?
 
We need a "deep-throat" from inside Bill Heard.
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [roundtrip] by jipster
Aug 01, 2006 (4:48 am)
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Replying to: roundtrip (Jul 31, 2006 6:19 pm)

Good post. Basically it's all lies, deception, and half truths that results in the vast majority of complaints on dealerships. And of course it comes down to the word of the salesman/dealership against the word of the customer, so who do you think wins on those arguments.
 
The Bill Heard dealerships are good at knowing how to push its sales practices to the very edge to maximise profit...without becoming unlawful.
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Re: my 2 cents [thebigal] by snakeweasel
Aug 01, 2006 (4:57 am)
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Replying to: the_big_al (Jun 27, 2008 3:16 pm)

I just moved from a "metro" area - (PHX, AZ) and I would consider it metro. How big I do not know but it into the millions (it's one of the top 4 or 5 largest metro area I think)...
 
Its the 14th largest with about 3.25 million.
 
As I said we have suburbs here that have more than 100,000 so I really don't see 100,000 population as large for a metro area.
 
When I get ready to purchase my next vehicle I may just go back to AZ where I can have my pick of Dealers and or vehicle.
 
Wouldn't it be easier to go to Portland?
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Re: This is [mark156] by british_rover
Aug 01, 2006 (5:24 am)
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Replying to: mark156 (Jul 31, 2006 5:42 pm)

Yeah they really have turned a corner. BMW I guess started it but they were more concerned with using Land Rover as a quick entry into the SUV market. The X5 could never have been developed as quickly as it was without Land Rover.
 
Land Rover always had the problem that most british companies had and that is under capitilzation. They had some pretty good engineers, designers and stylists but they had no money to work with. What just boggles my mind is that nearly all of the equipment, with the expeption of the vehicle's platform itself, the air suspension system, and the four wheel drive system, in the new Land Rovers comes from either volvo, jaguar or aston martin yet Land Rover still languishes last or near last in quality surveys. Jaguar has scored very good in recent quality surveys and volvo has done well too.
 
Engines are Jag and Aston and so is the tranny. The safety equipment is straight from volvo. Denso makes our nav system along with many other systems. Bosch makes most of the rest of the electronics.
 
The only persistant issue I have seen has been air suspension issues with early LR3s and Range Rover Sports. The air suspension system is incredibly complex and can sometimes trigger faults when they are not really needed.
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [louiswei] by jmurman42
Aug 01, 2006 (5:40 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Aug 01, 2006 3:17 am)

If I was Bill Heard and saw that folks were saying on a public forum that "I was a thief" or "criminal" I would sue the pants off of you for slander.
 
You might want to watch the use of names like "thief" "criminal" etc.
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When the shoe fits by imidazol97
Aug 01, 2006 (5:59 am)
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the truth hurts.
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What's needed by imidazol97
Aug 01, 2006 (6:01 am)
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is a Dateline investigation. Someone needs to email them the story and links.
 
Do you think re the Attorneys General in states now stopping such practices that there might be a lobby group on the part of dealers and BH participates heavily in those? Even though most (all?) other dealers wouldn't condone intentional practices like these, their voice is overwhelmed.
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [jmurman42] by audia8q
Aug 01, 2006 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: jmurman42 (Aug 01, 2006 5:40 am)

jmurman I agree....Heard certainly has a sketchy reputation but the folks on here only get one side of the story. Heard's primary customer is somebody who is a deadbeat/credit bandit and these folks are usually just as sleazy and conniving. (we arent talking about good people with a slip up, but people who make a career out of scamming things with bad credit)....I certainly don't agree with their ways of doing business...but remember there are two sides to every story.
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Re: Bill Heard is criminal all around [jmurman42] by snakeweasel
Aug 01, 2006 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: jmurman42 (Aug 01, 2006 5:40 am)

While I will agree with you about the use of names. But i don't think BH would sue, if they did they would have all their dirty laundry exposed.

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