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Re: How far are you willing to go for the sale? [deserth8r] by cluedweasel
Jul 24, 2006 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: deserth8r (Jul 24, 2006 12:59 pm)

Our various bonuses were tied to our individual CSI scores. That month I was due a volume bonus, a highest average gross bonus, a top salesman bonus and, ironically enough, a bonus for the highest number of 100% CSI surveys.
 
At my store, our basic commission was 18% of profit on the vehicle (near enough. There were other factors) or $250, whichever was more. The "mini" refers to the minimum commission. My volume bonus for that month would have taken me from 18% for each sale up to 26%.
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CSI and grade inflation by dino001
Jul 24, 2006 (2:24 pm)
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It looks to me that CSI suffers same problems as grades in our schools - suddenly everybody is "excellent", "exceptional", "above and beyond", otherwise their livelihood is in danger. No more "satisfactory", "OK", or even "good".
 
I remember once seing a VW service department with customer notice that every grade other than perfect is considered a failure by the mfr. That is really stupid.
 
I love giving good grades, but I'm not likely to give perfect 10/10 in all categories. I may give most 10s, some 9s and some 8s. Like to differentiate between say manners of the guy/gal (say loved them) and the price he/she gave me (it was allright, but nothing to scream about). Is that bad?
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Re: CSI and grade inflation [dino001] by tamaraster
Jul 24, 2006 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: dino001 (Jul 24, 2006 2:24 pm)

Of course, you can also give perfect scores and then, in the spots where you write things in, give details of how the experience was less than perfect.
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Re: OMG... [tamaraster] by isellhondas
Jul 24, 2006 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: tamaraster (Jul 24, 2006 9:58 am)

You are not mistaken. They are NOTHING but trouble especially as they get a lot of miles on them.
 
The largest aftermarket warranty company in the US will NOT sell a warranty on one for ANY price.
 
They used to but no matter how much they charged, they still got burned.
 
Having said all of this, I still like them. I just wouldn't own one.
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Re: CSI and grade inflation [tamaraster] by biancar
Jul 24, 2006 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: tamaraster (Jul 24, 2006 2:38 pm)

On my recent car purchase, the salesman didn't know a couple of things. For instance, he told me the tires were all-season; when I looked closely, I saw that they weren't (no A/S markings on them). Also when I was putting the top up and down, I asked if there was a little graphic to show when it was done; he said there wasn't, but of course there is.
 
However, I gave him all perfect scores on the survey, even "salesman's knowledge," because I suspected it was a mini deal for him and I didn't want to cut into whatever other compensation the survey might mean to him.
 
What I did was point out those things to him, tactfully, when I came back a few days later with the check from the Credit Union. He was surprised about the tires, said he had thought that all their cars had A/S on them. I figured telling him directly would do more good than marking him down on a survey.
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Re: How far are you willing to go for the sale? [cluedweasel] by isellhondas
Jul 24, 2006 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: cluedweasel (Jul 24, 2006 10:56 am)

A true customer from hell.
 
Ever wonder why some of your best customers never receive a survey but guys like him do?
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Re: How far are you willing to go for the sale? [tsgeisel] by isellhondas
Jul 24, 2006 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: tsgeisel (Jul 24, 2006 12:44 pm)

I don't understand...
 
You were "very unhappy" with the dealership but you STILL bought from them?
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Re: How far are you willing to go for the sale? [isellhondas] by tsgeisel
Jul 24, 2006 (3:19 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jul 24, 2006 3:02 pm)

They had the car I wanted at a price better than I would have been able to get at other nearby dealers.
 
But they're also more of a volume dealer, so I felt like a piece of meat going through the process, also their service department is closed on weekends, and those perks that lots of other places offer, such as free oil changes and such, were never offered. Perhaps it was a reflection on the fact that I was getting such a good deal otherwise.
 
In the meantime, I'm taking all my service issues to a closer dealership that is open on Saturday.
 
Additionally, my roommate, without any consultation, responded to a spam (or popup), got an online car loan, and went to that same dealer, and fell for just about every trick in the book. I would have recommended going elsewhere, had she but asked, but it further locked into my brain that this place is hardly customer-oriented.
 
Bob Lewis VW/Hyundai/Suzuki in San Jose. I probably won't go back for my next car (in 10 years or so)...
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Re: How far are you willing to go for the sale? [jipster] by mazda6iguy
Jul 24, 2006 (4:13 pm)
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Replying to: jipster (Jul 24, 2006 11:39 am)


What percent of surveys come back 100%? I would think it very few unless you told the customer it was pass/fail. I remember our salesperson "asking" for a good survey. But, she never mentioned she needed a perfect score. Consequently I marked down on 2 or 3 areas where I thought improvement needed...would probably score a 90-94%. I would have given it to her had I known.

 
When I bought my Mazda back in '03, the sales person and those in service always mentioned the survey and they made a point to mention the "pass/fail" of the survey and always give a 5. Anything less than a 5 was a failing grade. They did mention that. Every time I return from an oil change or some other service, they mail me a letter that says something along the lines of "You will soon be receiving a survey from Mazda concerning this service visit" and "Please give a score of 5 if you were happy with your visit."
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Re: How far are you willing to go for the sale? [isellhondas] by explorerx4
Jul 24, 2006 (4:15 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jul 24, 2006 2:57 pm)

one time i bought a car. luckily it turned out to be a good car. we had a pretty bad sales experience. i did not get the survey. i called the manufacturer and asked why i didn't get one. they went through the verification of my information. the address was in the same town as the dealership. not even close to mine. i asked to have the address corrected and have the survey sent to me. i was honest in my evaluation, but the salesman avoided any contact with me after that.

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