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Re: Building product value [golic] by jipster
Feb 14, 2006 (1:33 pm)
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Replying to: golic (Feb 14, 2006 8:54 am)

"I didn't mean to rain on you, Jipster..."
 
No problem. You're ranting was fairly brief as far as ranting goes.
 
Though tempted at times, I usually try to make people happy by telling them they got a "good deal" reguardless of the circumstances.
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Re: What does that matter? [british_rover] by jipster
Feb 14, 2006 (6:07 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Feb 14, 2006 1:28 pm)

Thank you for that straight/honest answer british_rover.
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Re: Building product value [golic] by black_tulip
Feb 15, 2006 (6:12 am)
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Replying to: golic (Feb 14, 2006 8:54 am)

I am always fascinated by the people who post and ask, Hey, I just bought this car - here is what I paid, did I get screwed???
  
Who cares...it's tooo late.

 
I do.
 
In general, everything in life is a learning experience. Therefore, it is perfectly valid to do a post-mortem analysis to learn from your mistakes so as not to repeat it in the future.
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Re: Building product value [british_rover] by black_tulip
Feb 15, 2006 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Feb 13, 2006 3:33 pm)

I am not sure if it has anything to do with product value. The fact that he got $4000 from his trade sealed the deal. On the other hand, if he was $4000 upside down, I doubt any of the features in the new car would have moved him.
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Re: Stories from the Sales Frontlines [jlawrence01] by graphicguy
Feb 15, 2006 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: jlawrence01 (Feb 10, 2006 8:33 am)

When you start bringing a dealership 3-4 sales per year, the SMART salesmen will start notifying you when something "interesting" hits their lot.
 
j.....So true, it's all about networking and relationships....on both the customer's side and the salesperson's side.
 
It seems like I'm always helping someone buy something every 3-4 months. Really, a quick glance at these boards and it wouldn't be so hard for those people to do the same themselves. I think the stereotype of getting "hosed" at a car dealership is unfortunately alive and well.
 
There's probably 3-4 sales people, at different dealerships, that I'm in contact with every couple of months. Sometimes they bring something to the table that's interesting. Other times, I don't have anyone I know who's in the market, and no matter what the vehicle, I'm not interested.
 
I do have long standing relationships with someone at a Toyota, Chevy and Ford dealerships. Of course, those folks have made their profession a career, as opposed to just a brief stopping point.
 
One salesmanager, at an Acura dealership (Superior), I actually play golf with. I bought my son's car there. Interestingly, they don't carry used cars that are less than 3 years old....nothing 1-2 years old (which I find a bit odd). But, their inventory is always filled with nice used cars.
 
On the other hand, I've tried to buy an Infiniti on several occasions. We've got only one dealership in the area. I always give them a shot at my business, but could never get to a "meeting of the minds", so I've never bought from them. Nice people, though. They still call every 6 months, or so.
 
Bottom line, if you've got a relationship with someone in the biz, there's a mutual trust built up that I won't waste their time, if they don't waste mine. In short order, if they've got something I (or a family member) want, I'm confident I get a good deal and their confident I'm not going to "jack them around".
 
Of course, that's always predicated on doing a little bit of REALISTIC research hear before you walk in the door.
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Re: Building product value [black_tulip] by mirth
Feb 15, 2006 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: black_tulip (Feb 15, 2006 6:12 am)

Therefore, it is perfectly valid to do a post-mortem analysis to learn from your mistakes so as not to repeat it in the future.
 
Sure, but if some yahoo on an internet board tells you you paid way too much, why would you take their word for it? Even if more than one does, how can you be sure that they are right? Your circumstances and geography might not match up with theirs. Plus, they may just not know what they are talking about. Or they are ignoring the fact that although they paid $2000 less on the car they got a higher interest rate, lower value for their trade, and bought the extended warranty for $1500.
 
If you went and believed that person, you would have a much harder time of it next time you bought a car because your assumptions would be incorrect. Grain of salt.
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great point, mirth by bretfraz
Feb 15, 2006 (9:27 am)
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That's an excellent point. Does the person doing the post mortem actually know what they're talking about? Does that person have all the facts and pertinent info? A detective has the coroner's report, he has a police report, eyewitness accounts, the ability to interview those involved, whatever is at his disposal to determine cause of the crime.
 
A coworker just bought a used truck from a local megastore. They were happy their payments were a lot lower than their previous truck, plus the new truck is bigger and better equipped. On the surface everyone is happy. I saw the contract and it's scary: Paid top dollar for a 4 yr old truck with 60K on it, 72 month loan, 10.99% interest rate, $1200 extended warranty. My analysis says they got hosed. But then, I wasn't there in the sales office wheelin and dealin, so who knows what took place?
 
Philosophically I agree a post mortem analysis should be done but it's almost impossible to do one accurately without all the info. And besides, who wants to hear they got porked?
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Re: Stories from the Sales Frontlines [graphicguy] by jlawrence01
Feb 15, 2006 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Feb 15, 2006 7:47 am)

We have contacts at a Ford and a Cadillac dealership. In general, they know roughly how and what we like to buy. In general, we are usually within $500 and pretty much split the difference.
 
Do we grind? Oh, occasionally. Especially if the salesman (usually a newbie), acts like we are straight off the farm and starts trying to sell us a used car at 15% above retail. Or if it is obvious that they don't know their beans.
 
I like dealerships that sell quality used cars and take pride in it. While you still have to do the mechanical inspection, it makes the process a lot easier.
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Re: great point, mirth [bretfraz] by british_rover
Feb 15, 2006 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: bretfraz (Feb 15, 2006 9:27 am)

They took a 72 month loan on a 4 year old trucks? If that is the case they got hosed no matter what they paid. I hope they never plan to trade out of it ever cause they are probably 50% buried in the car right now and getting worse.
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Re: Building product value [mirth] by isellhondas
Feb 15, 2006 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: mirth (Feb 15, 2006 9:18 am)

Exactly.
 
A lot of the so called "Prices Paid" posts are dead wrong. I (usually) just bite my tongue but I can tell you, a lot of those deals judt didn't happen.
 
So, now the person who asks.." did I get a good deal" feels that they paid too much or got hosed.
 
Some people just love to rain on parades.

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