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Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4 or Subaru Forester?

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What is this discussion about? Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4, Subaru Forester, SUV


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Re: 2009 Honda CRV or 2009 Forester in the snow which is better [bodble2] by ateixeira
Dec 24, 2008 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Dec 23, 2008 10:08 pm)

Like I said, I'll take decade-old technology that works over newer technology that is better on paper but isn't as good ... in practice.
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Re: 2009 Honda CRV or 2009 Forester in the snow which is better [ateixeira] by bodble2
Dec 24, 2008 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 24, 2008 7:24 am)

But think of how much more efficient the Subie's powertrain would be with a 5, or 6-sp auto. I mean, no one's complaining about the 5-sp in auto in the Legacy and Outback.
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Re: 2009 Honda CRV or 2009 Forester in the snow which is better [bodble2] by ateixeira
Dec 24, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Dec 24, 2008 9:49 am)

Kurt did - he compared 09 Forester and Outbacks closely. The trans was one of his beefs with the OB, at least compared to the Forester.
 
All things equal, more gears are better, absolutely. I'll take 5, 6, whatever. Just add ratios without losing the shifts and programming that it has now.
 
To be honest Subaru will likely go with a CVT instead, like Nissan has done. They share suppliers on a lot of things.
 
I'm a fan of manual transmission, but I actually have to admit I *like* the 4EAT in my wife's Forester. I've only said that about one other automatic, ever in my life - my buddy's Porsche Boxster Tiptronic.
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Sluggishness by driverboy
Dec 27, 2008 (7:03 pm)
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I am in the market for a compact 4WD for the ski season so looking ath 09 Forester, Rav4 and CRV.
 
So far I like the styling of the forester and the power of the Rav4 V6
 
The Forester 2.5X does feel quite sluggish to me. I wonder how it will handle in the mountains (Lake Tahoe in my case) during the ski season...
 
Does anyone have experience with either of these cars (base 4-cyl models) in mountain + snow conditions and how well they perform.
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Re: Sluggishness [driverboy] by 10years
Dec 28, 2008 (12:39 pm)
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Replying to: driverboy (Jun 28, 2006 9:13 pm)

The OEM Geolander tires on Subarus only have a B traction rating and are especially poor in wet or slick conditions. If you go with Subaru then work with your dealer to swap them out before taking delivery. If you’re just visiting Tahoe then good all-season tires may be okay but you should always carry chains otherwise true snow tires should be used up there. In Tahoe because of traffic or weather conditions extra horsepower is not much of a consideration.
 
Speaking from experience in the Reno to Carson City commute I can tell you that my 03 Forester X has saved my butt several times in terms of excellent braking, handling/maneuverability under braking, very good visibility without a camera, and excellent AWD capabilities in fair and foul weather. The car has 90K miles with zero problems and performs as good as new still. I find the power delivery to be good enough and not what I’d call sluggish.
 
All three on your short list would be good. Remember that Subaru is full time AWD while the other two are FWD biased with reactive AWD.
 
Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Sluggishness [10years] by driverboy
Dec 28, 2008 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: 10years (Dec 28, 2008 12:39 pm)

Thanks for your input! I agree that the Subaru AWD is better than the competition. I think I'll go drive the Subaru once more
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Re: Sluggishness [driverboy] by ateixeira
Dec 29, 2008 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: driverboy (Jun 28, 2006 9:13 pm)

If you're looking at the V6 RAV4, why not test drive a Forester XT?
 
We wanted the best possible mileage and range, so we looked at base 4 cylinder engines. The Forester has the biggest gas tank in this class (16.9 gallons, surprisingly enough the same size as the Tribeca!) combined with good mileage, and before you say Escape Hybrid that interior didn't come close to meeting my standards (we actually looked at the Mercury version).
 
Any how, with expectations for that class, I found the Forester very responsive. We did get the 175hp PZEV model, which is $300 or so extra, but you get 5hp plus it's cleaner and greener. In PZEV states the emissions warranty covers your catalytic converter for 150k miles, too.
 
That base engine has fairly high compression and AVCS valve timing, plus shorter gearing than the Forester XT, so we actually find it responsive. Specifically you feel it move immediately as you hit the gas pedal. It's not fast, but merely quick and responsive, if I'm explaining it properly.
 
I have that V6/5 speed powertrain from the RAV4 in my minivan, and it's the opposite. It takes a bit longer to respond, especially for the transmission to pick the right gear, but once it does, it's quite fast. So not as responsive, but faster once you get going.
 
I hope that's clear.
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Re: Sluggishness [driverboy] by bodble2
Dec 29, 2008 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: driverboy (Jun 28, 2006 9:13 pm)

For me personally, the RAV4 offers a hard-to-beat combination of looks, size, utility, performance, technology, amenities, value and reliability. I'm not saying it stands out in any one particular area, but viewed as a total package, it seems to offer the most appealing compromise.
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Re: Sluggishness [bodble2] by kdshapiro
Dec 31, 2008 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Dec 29, 2008 1:25 pm)

I think the 2009 XT now takes it in the looks, utility, performance, and reliability. Value and of course looks are in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure the RAV4 has more options, but more isn't necessarily better.
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Re: Sluggishness [bodble2] by ateixeira
Jan 09, 2009 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: bodble2 (Dec 29, 2008 1:25 pm)

I liked the powertrain but the wrong-way rear door pushed me into a Sienna. I actually wanted something bigger anyway.

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