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Re: I dunno [blackyaris2007]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Dec 30, 2006 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: blackyaris2007 (Dec 30, 2006 7:02 am)
You musta got a bad xA. They aren't slow at all...or maybe I got a peppy one. I can leave an xB in the dust and easily keep up with all freeway traffic. Of course, with 1.5 liters, there are limits. If you try to accelerate in the wrong gear, it's not going to happen. You need to keep the revs up on little engines while you shift. Ditto Yaris.
Yaris and xA have the same engine and weigh the same, and have the same HP (or very very close), so there can't be much difference in performance.
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Re: I dunno [Mr_Shiftright]
by blackyaris2007
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Dec 30, 2006 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 30, 2006 9:01 am)
I know that is what I read re: Scion XA= Yaris re: engine and weight. I felt a difference possibly design. I think the Yaris is more aerodynamic and Scion XA more boxy. Perhaps it is simpler, I like the Yaris much much more.
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Re: I dunno [blackyaris2007]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Dec 30, 2006 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: blackyaris2007 (Dec 30, 2006 11:28 am)
Sure that's possible. Aerodynamics make a difference certainly, at highway speeds.
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Re: Toyota Yaris vs. Scion XA [larsen]
by bestgpa
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Feb 06, 2007 (6:20 am)
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Replying to: larsen (Jan 20, 2006 11:18 am)
I had a 2000 Echo which got high 40's in mpg's, but that was after I had bought new tires which, I didn't realize, were fatter. I bragged around town about my 3 trips to daughter's home got 50 mpg records. My new Scion xA showed the distance is shorter by 12%.
Still, the Echo got 41 or 42 mpg compared to 33 on the xA with same engine and stick shift--difference in aerodynamics? trannie?
For gas mileage, get the Yarris (which is, really, the Echo.) But the BASE xA has what my Echo didn't--split rear fold-down seat; elec windows and doors, CD player, and anti-locking brakes. Don't let the dealer tell you the price is fixed. I paid close to $13k; they're around 12k now.
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Re: Toyota Yaris vs. Scion XA [bestgpa]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Feb 06, 2007 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: bestgpa (Feb 06, 2007 6:20 am)
It must be the gearing. My xA can easily walk away from an Echo in terms of acceleration and I can pass trucks at 70-80 mph. Since they have the same HP, and aerodynamics is not a factor in 0-60 times, gearing is the only explanation really between the MPG in an xA and an Echo, don't you think?
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Re: Toyota Yaris vs. Scion XA [Mr_Shiftright]
by bamacar
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Feb 06, 2007 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 06, 2007 8:23 am)
All the magazines report the contrary. The Echo manual was about 0-60 in 8-9 seconds the xA manual is 0-60 in 8.8 -9.8 seconds. With the proper shifts, same engine, and reduced weight, the Echo should be faster. Obviously it would not handle as well though.
The Yaris and xA appear to be about equals in 0-60 times though. Of course, the Yaris gained weight over the Echo to make that race about even.
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Re: Toyota Yaris vs. Scion XA [bamacar]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Feb 06, 2007 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: bamacar (Feb 06, 2007 8:43 am)
Well real life is different. I can absolutely leave an Echo in the dust. There must be 1.0 to 1.5 seconds difference. I think the real numbers should be about 8.5 for a manual xA and about 10 for an Echo...that seems about right.
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Re: Toyota Yaris vs. Scion XA [Mr_Shiftright]
by bamacar
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Feb 06, 2007 (10:43 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Feb 06, 2007 9:01 am)
So the magazines are making it up? Sure the gearing would help the 0-5 mph start but the weight would be a real downer from 5-60 assuming you had the Echo in the correct lower gear than the xA. The automatics would probably be about even because the shift points are somewhat forced on you.
Of course, if real life means how a typical xA is driven versus the typical Echo, then I agree. The xA begs to be driven at high rpm while the Echo begs to be driven easy. If the Echo is driven hard though, it will no doubt be faster.
My experience is the gearing of a car like the xA makes it feel like it is going faster, but the real world numbers tell otherwise.
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Re: Toyota Yaris vs. Scion XA [bamacar]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Feb 06, 2007 (3:54 pm)
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Replying to: bamacar (Feb 06, 2007 10:43 am)
No, no, they didn't make it up, that particular just got it wrong I think for the "norm". They tested one car one day is all.
The xA is about 1 second faster 0-60 would be my best guess and from what I've read. Figure 9.5 for the Echo and 8.5 for the xA and I bet you'd be right on the money 9 of 10 times.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it  Your results may vary.
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