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Toyota FJ Cruiser vs Jeep Wrangler

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What is this discussion about? Toyota FJ Cruiser, Jeep Wrangler


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Where TOYOTA got the FJC's styling by fourx4ever
Feb 01, 2007 (7:19 am)
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Well Now I know where they got the styling for the FJC! - FROM AMC! LOL!
 

 
Just a little doctoring to the grille and walla!
 

 
Ironically, this AMC Pacer abomination, with its much shorter wheel base, solid axle, and bottom end grunt of the I6, MUCH better visibility, and much smaller, lighter package, would probably out wheel the FJC in most situations.
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Pacer / FJC? by steenh
Feb 01, 2007 (9:49 am)
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4x4... you do make me laugh sometimes.
 
Since it's essentially a jeep, I'm guessing the I6 has long since bitten the dust, the frame is probably cracked, the electronics are shot, the axles broke hitting a curb etc...
 
It is a beaut though... very nice stylin!!!
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Re: Pacer / FJC? [steenh] by fourx4ever
Feb 01, 2007 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: steenh (Feb 01, 2007 9:49 am)

Hey it's a 1975 or so: I don't think Toyota has any cars from the early 70's that are still on the road; the puddle jumper crap they made back then burned oil after about 30K miles and was completely rusted out after 5 years!
 
Actually it's not a Jeep at all. apparently the guy who made this thing from a pacer didn't put the car on a sub frame at all. It's the Pacer's unit body with a solid front axle swapped in the front and a lifted rear axle. Before the solid axle was swapped in it even had more in common with an FJC: it had independent front suspension! LOL! It has an AMC 360 V8 (so it would kill any FJ light to light) mated to a 4 speed.
 
But it sure does bare some resemblance to an FJC LOL! Ha ha ha that really slays me! A 1975 AMC FJC!!! LOL!
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Re: Pacer / FJC? [fourx4ever] by steve_ HOST
Feb 01, 2007 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: fourx4ever (Feb 01, 2007 10:17 am)

Ok, how about an Electric Version of Replica FJ40?
 
Might be nice to go wheeling with some torquey electric motors driving each wheel.
 
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Re: Pacer / FJC? [steve_] by fourx4ever
Feb 01, 2007 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Feb 01, 2007 11:00 am)

Hmmmm,
 
The torque part sounds good. Electric motors have a completely flat torque profile.
 
Now we just have to work out some bio-electrical engineering problems so the trees in the forest grow power outlets.
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Re: Pacer / FJC? [steve_] by steenh
Feb 01, 2007 (2:32 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Feb 01, 2007 11:00 am)

Now your talking...
 
I think the first thing they'd have to work out is the $88k price tag though I'm not seen too many gas nozzles on those trees either. If they get to solar powered we are in business.
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Re: Pacer / FJC? [steenh] by fourx4ever
Feb 01, 2007 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: steenh (Feb 01, 2007 2:32 pm)

At least if I run out of gas on the trail I can walk back with a gerry can. I don't know if Wal-Mart sells 10 mile extension cords to charge your electric car and I'd probably be retired before a solar panel charged it.
 
By the way, I'd pay $88K for one of those hand crafted FJs before I'd buy an FJC for $30K
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Re: Pacer / FJC? [fourx4ever] by tidester HOST
Feb 01, 2007 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: fourx4ever (Feb 01, 2007 12:47 pm)

The torque part sounds good. Electric motors have a completely flat torque profile.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "flat torque profile" but the torque certainly changes if you vary the current flowing through the coils. Perhaps you mean torque per watt delivered? (τ/I2)
 
tidester, host
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Re: Pacer / FJC? [tidester] by mac24
Feb 06, 2007 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Feb 01, 2007 3:00 pm)

Perhaps you mean torque per watt delivered?
 
Or that an electric motor exerts maximum torque at zero rpm?
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Re: Pacer / FJC? [mac24] by fourx4ever
Feb 06, 2007 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: mac24 (Feb 06, 2007 10:01 am)

Yes actually an electric motor would exert peak torque at a stall or zero RPM, simply because the electromotive force stays constant for a given current passing through the motor's windings.
 
There's no doubt about it, some pretty cool things could be done with an electric motor at each wheel. Perhaps some form of hybrid with a diesel motor. A large alternator generator tied in to the diesel. Extremely precise torque delivery to any given wheel or equally to all wheels. Reverse rotation of some wheels with respect to others to make the vehicle spin on a dime like the Jeep Hurricane can do. The reverse for the braking on given wheels and precise control of all aspects of braking would be simple to manage. Even regenerative braking - however the storage of the energy is always an issue - I'm not a fan of power storage in battery packs.

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