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#357 of 542 Wrangler Awards... quite the demographic!
Nov 08, 2006 (8:41 am)
"Autos Mujeres al Volante" Magazine Selects Jeep® Wrangler and Chrysler Town & Country as 2006 Women's Cars of the Year
You guys are right... the awards keep rolling in.
FJC top is one of those that Toyota said would likely be a factory option in the future... the pickup also got rid of the C pillar issue. As far as the RTI on a 70 series... can't find it... but locking F&R certainly would be as easy as saying you want one and paying.
#358 of 542 Re: Wrangler Awards... quite the demographic! [steenh]
Nov 08, 2006 (12:12 pm)
Hey, I can see how many women would love the outgoing Wragnler and the new 2007 Wrangler:
It's a convertable,
When the hard top is on it's as warm as any car in the winter,
It has a turning circle smaller than just about any other 4x4 (except something with 4 wheel steering) and the visibility is second only to a motorbike - It parks like a dream!!!
Who wouldn't like all those things?? You think girls are going to turn this down just cuz they are girls???
#359 of 542 Re: Wrangler Awards... quite the demographic! [fourx4ever]
Nov 08, 2006 (1:14 pm)
Chick car, Soccer Mom-mobile... I think that's exactly what Toyota was hoping to avoid with the FJC... kind of ironic that Wrangler wins it... and not just Women... but Hispanic Women at that.
I can honestly say I have never seen an Hispanic woman driving a Wrangler.
Nothing against women in jeeps... lots of them out there.
#360 of 542 Re: Wrangler Awards... quite the demographic! [steenh]
Nov 08, 2006 (3:08 pm)
Well you know I think accountants at DaimlerChrysler will see their way clear that the scoccer mom's money will be just as favorable on the ballance sheet as the money they worked hard to earn from hard core off-roaders.
Who can forsee that a vehilce designed to please a niche market becomes a favorite with all! That's really what the Jeep was all obout in the first place: In 1947 they never promised plush interior, a soft ride and a bunch of entertainment crap - they made an honest to goodness off-road vehicle! It's just that once they built it, many others came.
If I get my Christmas wish this year it will be that Liberty sales fall flat on their face while the new Wrangler's sales soar to hights never seen before. Then maybe some of those clowns in product development will see that some tin can with a closed roof and IFS is not the way to go.
#361 of 542 How To Kill A Legend
Nov 14, 2006 (10:00 am)
Since it’s fall of 2006 we are now seeing the 2007s on most dealer lots, sooooo…. I of course have a rant! No, my rant is not about Toyota and how they are not really committed to the North American off-road segment – that’s already been well established. Rather, it’s about Jeep and DaimlerChrysler. Yes, there is a rift in the Jeep brand that has been growing ever since the cancellation of the beloved 4.0L Cherokee Sport and the introduction of the Liberty. At the same time Jeep introduced the Wrangler Rubicon, a vehicle most 4x4 publications and off-roaders alike, state is the most trail capable vehicle to produced by an auto manufacturer BAR NONE. Most of you are aware of this. However the rift continues to widen!
While the 2007 Wrangler Rubicon is apparently even more capable than the outgoing Wrangler Rubicon TJ, Daimler has seen fit to introduce the Jeep Compass! An overhead cam 4 cylinder, car-like vehicle with the ground clearance of a stiletto. With no low range capability available, and a acres of plastic inside and out, IFS (and I believe IRS) how can anybody with a straight face call this a JEEP!?!? Not to mention that the front bumper comes up on each side at the corners of the grille to make it look like a chipmunk with its cheek stuffed full of nuts! This thing is truly a PILE right from the back widow spoiler right down to the all season radials!
The deletion of solid axles from the Grand Cherokee line up, the lack of them on the Commander and the so called Jeep Patriot, have really turned almost all of the traditional Jeep owners from ever being seen near one of these vehicles much less owning one! Yes Daimler has the nerve to produce something like the Commander, which ‘looks’ a lot like the kind of Jeep that we have grown to love, but underneath is really just an IFS Grand Cherokee. Yet Chrysler insists that it’s a real Jeep in the true historical sense! Well, Chrysler we’re not buying it – Literally!
With the very real exception of the Wrangler, us Jeepers see the brand name devolving into becoming just another me-too label that produces the same kind of middle of the road, attempts everything, but really is not good at anything, type of vehicles. These type of vehicles have been the domain of GM, Ford, Nissan, Toyota (in North America) for the past 10 years or more, and now Jeep seems more than willing to slip into this abyss of mediocrity! Daimler’s efforts regarding the Rubicon are well noted and well appreciated by off-roaders, however the dilution of the ‘Jeep’ brand name with the introduction of all these other, less than lame models is overwhelmingly pulling the name down. If you want to build something like the Compass, then fine, but don’t call it a Jeep! If they keep this up I’ll soon be embarrassed to drive anything that has a ‘Jeep’ badge; it will become known as the ‘has been off-road label’.
My message to DaimlerChrysler is: better wake up fast!!! You’re killing a legendary name and alienating your diehard core supporters.
- end rant -
#362 of 542 Re: How To Kill A Legend [fourx4ever]
Nov 14, 2006 (2:16 pm)
No, I think that DC will have to try a lot harder than that to kill the Jeep image.
Take 100 non-automotive enthusiast adult members of the car buying public, and show them pictures of all DC's Jeep offerings except the Wrangler. I doubt if more than ten would identify them as Jeep products.
However, show the same 100 people a picture of a Wrangler and I'd guess that at least 99 would smile and say "Jeep!".
Most people don't find it practical to own one, but they will identify it as one of America's most recognized and loved icons.
I might be embarrassed to be seen in a Compass, but never in my Wrangler.
#363 of 542 Re: How To Kill A Legend [fourx4ever]
Nov 14, 2006 (7:00 pm)
I too believe DCX is polluting the Jeep brand. The Compass IS a car, it is based on the Dodge Caliber platform. Fugly as hell, too! I was also sorry to see the 4.0L I6 replaced by the 3.8 V6, and the 2 door Unlimited dropped in favor of the 4-door. One thing I don't understand is why they don't offer the new (mopar) 4.0L V6 that has 260hp and 265lb/ft in the Wrangler, especially in the Rubicon. I guess I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for an '04-'06 2 Door Unlimited Rubicon at a good price....
#364 of 542 Re: How To Kill A Legend [mac24]
Nov 15, 2006 (8:38 am)
You may be right about the results of such a survey, however if you're poling the non-car buying public what difference does it make? - they're not buying the cars.
It's the people that have the cash to buy the cars that Chrysler should be concerned with. Really, before 2003 (Liberty introduction) there was a very good reason to buy the Jeep brand over the Softroaders that all the other companies were pumping out. All the Jeeps offered true off-road ability. Moreover, they ALL had the ability to be built into hard core off-road machines for not very much work or money given the HUGE aftermarket parts selection.
Fast forward to 2007 model year where there is really only one true off-road Jeep left in the line up that has potential to be modified to a true hard core off-roader. All the other Jeeps are either 'Wus You Vees' or cute Utes like the compass. DaimlerChrysler is making a huge mistake here.
#365 of 542 Re: How To Kill A Legend [fourx4ever]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Nov 15, 2006 (8:58 am)
DC probably thinks the pool of hard core off-roaders is much smaller than the pool of potential soft-roader buyers. Maybe they can't afford to cater to you guys with more than the Rubicon?
#366 of 542 Re: How To Kill A Legend [fourx4ever]
Nov 15, 2006 (10:06 am)
however if you're poling the non-car buying public what difference does it make? - they're not buying the cars.
I think you may have misread it. What I said was:
"Take 100 non-automotive enthusiast adult members of the car buying public........."
The point I was trying to make was that the Wrangler will always remain the very embodiment of what a "Jeep" is in the eyes of the public, whether they're car enthusiasts or not. Even if DC brings out a minivan and slaps a Jeep label on it, the perception of the all american Jeep icon living in the form of the present day Wrangler won't change.
This doesn't mean I like what DC is doing with the Jeep name though. From the 6.1 Hemi powered GC SRT8 road rocket, to the bleh Commander, to the "what were they thinking" Compass, they seem to be trying a scatter gun "all things to all people" approach, rather than sticking to historical core Jeep values.
However, I agree with Steve's comment that the market will probably only support one 'true' offroad vehicle in the lineup, and if that's correct, what better than for the Wrangler to be that vehicle?