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#736 of 751 Dakota Hauler vers Other Midsize by wrench1

Nov 22, 2007 (6:53 am)

I own a 2006 SLT Sport CC Dakota 4.7 and tow a boat and other loads. I also own and tow with a 2006 Nissan Xterra 4.0. The Nissan pulls just as well, and gets avg 19 MPG towing while the Dakota drops to 15 MPG. The Dakota can really haul more on the road but for everyday day driving in town, the Xterra/Frontier 4.0L gets 23 MPG. Great gas mileage for 266 HP. My 2001 Ranger SC4.0L got 19MPG on the highway, 15-16 in town. Only rated 207 hp, had horrible brakes. The Dodge is a rock solid truck for the big hauling jobs and too me a Frontier/Tacoma/Ranger/Ridgeline/Colorado would work in any other everyday situation except rock crawlin, which is a sport all to itself. Then one would have to evaluate thr truck versus needs as someone has already said. Different strokes for different folks!

#737 of 751 The "Supersizing" of little trucks. by tigger32

Nov 24, 2007 (8:28 pm)

I have been watching the size increasing on our beloved small trucks and I ain't happy about it. I inherited my father's 1965 Ford F-250 Camper Special about 20 years ago. I sold it off because I didn't use enough (still had my Chevy Van) but when I did sell it, the small trucks were a fair bit smaller than it. Now the Dodge Dakota is just about the same size!
  At the recent L.A. car show, I sat in the Ford and Chevy full size trucks and was amazed. In my Dad's old truck I could reach across to the door handle and window crank on the passenger side. It was a long reach but I could do it. These new trucks had my hand waving around a good foot to a foot-and-a-half away from the door.
  And the climb up into the cabs is getting ridiculous. The old F-250 had a seat height that was perfect; just sling your keester sideways and in you went. Not now. You need oxygen and a small lunch to go up that high.
  Our "compact" trucks are definitly the size of the old trucks, so that is where my money will go when the time comes for the next P/U purchase.
  
Tigger 32

#738 of 751 Fuel prices and the new Diesels. by tigger32

Nov 24, 2007 (8:39 pm)

I have heard rumors of new Diesel engines being built for Dodge by Cummins. I am hearing that there is a new 4.6 litre V-6 and a 5.6 litre V-8. The small engine is aiming for 30 mpg and if that is true, it will be a huge seller, I bet. Especially if it is offered in the Dakota.
  I have also heard that Chevy/GMC is going to have a 4.5 litre Diesel coming out although I have not heard any specs on it.
  All this is to ponder the question, "Will Nissan, Toyota, Ford, etal. answer the call and give us some good mileage Diesels in our small trucks? Heck, Mercedes has the Sprinter Van with it's 2.7 litre 5 cylinder that is doing great in the delivery van / motorhome business.
  We can only hope.
 
Tigger 32

#739 of 751 Re: Fuel prices and the new Diesels. [tigger32] by asa

Nov 25, 2007 (7:27 am)

Replying to: tigger32 (Nov 24, 2007 8:39 pm)
With diesel fuel currently selling at a price higher than premium gasoline in my (U.S.) region, I'm not as enthusiastic about the economy of a diesel truck. In the final analysis, a diesel may indeed be more economical, but I don't think MPG tells the whole story. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Diesel technology is growing at an exciting rate.

#740 of 751 Re: Fuel prices and the new Diesels. [asa] by jfritsch

Nov 25, 2007 (12:05 pm)

Replying to: asa (Nov 25, 2007 7:27 am)
Diesle really begins topay off with heavy loads over long distances Esecially when putting 30000miles/yr hauling 30 or so ton loads. The repair an maintenance cost/mi can be much lower too, Putting diesels into small mid size an bigger pickups has always been with amixed result except for TORQUe..
 
--JJF
 
With diesel fuel currently selling at a price higher than premium gasoline in my (U.S.) region, I'm not as enthusiastic about the economy of a diesel truck. In the final analysis, a diesel may indeed be more economical, but I don't think MPG tells the whole story. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Diesel technology is growing at an exciting rate.

#741 of 751 Re: Fuel prices and the new Diesels. [tigger32] by moparbad

Nov 25, 2007 (8:18 pm)

Replying to: tigger32 (Nov 24, 2007 8:39 pm)
4.5L Duramax
 
Here is info. on the new Duramax. It will be manufactured in Towanda, NY. Will be available as early as 2008 for 2009 model year and no later than calendar year 2009 in the 2010 model year trucks.
 
Ford will have a 4.4L V8 diesel in the F150. Bad news is Ford has already reduced it's planned production numbers for the new engine. It will be manufactured in Mexico. Expected to arrive in 2009 calendar year in 2010 model year trucks.
 
Dodge has 4.2L V6 and 5.6L V8 Cummins engines in the pipeline. They are not scheduled to arrive until 2010 model year.
 
An International diesel engine in the 2009 Nissan Titan has been rumored for quite some time, nothing more than a possiblity at this point. Nissan is said to have put it's 3/4 ton Titan program on hold.
 
As to midsize trucks, well, don't hold your breath waiting for diesel. The only one that has even been mentioned is Honda Ridgeline with a diesel V6 in 2010.
There was buzz in the past of Isuzu bringing it's diesel engines to be installed in Isuzu versions of the Colorado. GM Colorado/Canyon and Isuzu DMax were a joint project of Isuzu and GM and were primarily engineered by Isuzu. No modifications needed to interchange powertrains. Now the only speculation is when Isuzu will fold the consumer sales of vehicles in North America and sell only larger commercial vehicles. Isuzu's contract with GM to supply the i-series trucks and the Ascender SUV is nearly completed.

#742 of 751 Re: Fuel prices and the new Diesels. [asa] by kipk

Nov 26, 2007 (4:50 am)

Replying to: asa (Nov 25, 2007 7:27 am)
I am also having trouble getting excited about diesels in midsize trucks or in cars.
 
Spent some time over on the Jeep Liberty Diesel forum. They seem to be having real problems with the diesel engines not running well.
 
One thought that comes to mind is that it is new and there are "Bugs" to work out.
However, another thought dictates that "Bugs" should be worked out before the consumer takes over. I can understand how some problem might not rear it's ugly head until a few thousand miles are on the clock, but some of these problems seem to be there, right from the "git-go", and Jeep has no solutions as of this time.
 
Mercedes has been building diesel trucks and cars successfully for a long time. As pointed out by another poster, the Sprinter is a fine example. They have also been building reliable diesel cars for many years. Diamler (SP) owns Chrysler and Mercedes. So why the problems with the Jeep Liberty?
 
My understanding is that GM owns a big chunk of Isuzu. The flat nosed box trucks by Chevy appear to be built on the same assembly line as the Isuzus.
Why not put that proven engine into a Colorado? That engine works fine in the box trucks and should do very well in a mid size pickup.
 
Kip

#743 of 751 Re: Fuel prices and the new Diesels. [kipk] by moparbad

Nov 26, 2007 (7:11 am)

Replying to: kipk (Nov 26, 2007 4:50 am)
My understanding is that GM owns a big chunk of Isuzu.
 
Not anymore. GM sold it's stake in the past in order to raise cash.
 
Toyota purchased a significant portion of Isuzu.

#744 of 751 Re: Fuel prices and the new Diesels. [moparbad] by asa

Nov 26, 2007 (1:06 pm)

Replying to: moparbad (Nov 25, 2007 8:18 pm)
The Nissan Navara (aka the Frontier in North America) is offered with a diesel most everywhere else in the world and it too would be a time-tested, reliable engine if it ever comes to the North America. But, as you wrote about the other manufacturers, there seems to be no plans to make that happen at Nissan.

#745 of 751 Re: Fuel prices and the new Diesels. [moparbad] by kipk

Nov 27, 2007 (5:00 am)

Replying to: moparbad (Nov 26, 2007 7:11 am)
"Not anymore. GM sold it's stake in the past in order to raise cash.
 Toyota purchased a significant portion of Isuzu."
 
Did GM sell all it's Isuzu holdings to "Toyota"? Wonder if GM hung on to anything that would be useful in the future. That diesel comes to mind.
 
Kip

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