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What is this discussion about? Honda Ridgeline, Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon, Dodge Dakota, Ford Explorer Sport Trac, Car Comparisons, Truck


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Re: V8 Colorado [jfritsch] by driver56
Jun 25, 2007 (6:58 am)

Replying to: jfritsch (Jun 25, 2007 5:09 am)

My 07 Nissan Frontier is more than big enough for this Puppy, particularly since it is driven mostly on city streets. Size-wise, I can barely fit it into my garage and then shut the door. And it's a short wheel base. Good truck so far, fun to drive, handles well, gets decent mileage if one goes easy.
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Re: V8 Colorado [driver56] by jfritsch
Jun 25, 2007 (7:54 am)

Replying to: driver56 (Jun 25, 2007 6:58 am)

Just for info, what model is it and price paid?
 
--jjf
 
My 07 Nissan Frontier is more than big enough for this Puppy, particularly since it is driven mostly on city streets. Size-wise, I can barely fit it into my garage and then shut the door. And it's a short wheel base. Good truck so far, fun to drive, handles well, gets decent mileage if one goes easy
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Re: V8 Colorado [jfritsch] by driver56
Jun 25, 2007 (5:01 pm)

Replying to: jfritsch (Jun 25, 2007 7:54 am)

It is a Nismo 4x4 Crew Cab. I paid $36500 CDN. pre tax.
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Re: V8 Colorado [jfritsch] by poncho167
Jun 27, 2007 (5:21 am)

Replying to: jfritsch (Jun 25, 2007 5:09 am)

"I would consider Colorado starting about $8000 off its (already high) MSRP due to its exterior styling and where it starts to become competitive with the others. A fellow at work got his for $9000 off an 06 end of December."
 
$9,000 off with rebates, GM card, and other dealer discounts maybe. They are not going to lose money selling a truck to your friend even though pickups are known to be the most over-priced.
 
The only thing that doesn't make the Colorado/Canyon competitive is the lack of towing and hauling. The truck obviously is underpowered compared to the competition but that will supposedly change. The previous S10 was a work horse in comparison that could out-haul and tow much more than the Colorado.
 
As far as looks other than the contraversal front end styling of the Colorado, from the door back it is a clean design unlike the Japanese models. The Nissan in my opinion is still the ugliest truck on the market. I used to sell Nissan hard bodies (what they used to call them) and preferred them over the Toyota because I sold them. When I talk of clean styling I am saying that clean to a custom truck builder means no ridges, big wheel wells, or general odd shapes. Smooth lines are best for customizing and the Nissan is far from it. I don't mean to attack your preference in a truck, but Nissan trucks are on the uggo side. What is with Nissan with that silly tailgate latch. Both trucks have this huge tailgate latch area, for what? It is best styling wise to keep things to a minimum including the tailgate latch. Most custom truck owners remove or reverse the tailgate latch any ways, but the Nissan would need a custom tailgate to fix that.
 
Have I driven one, no I haven't. No reason to. I have seen them and that is good enough. The Colorado is light duty and that is why it is praised for ride and handling. All these trucks and most cars are pretty much the same nowadays except for engines and some other minor differences. Even if the Colorado hasn't won any shoot-outs, that doesn't mean its a bad truck. Mostly from what I have read it comes up short on power, but who really needs more than that in these supper light duty trucks. Most only drive them on the road any ways with nothing in the back. Give me a four cylinder and leave it at that. Chevrolet in general have alot going for them with their reputation for longevity. My 1992 S10 will attest to that. Wouldn't it be boring if everyone had the same truck? To each his own. Happy trucking.
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Re: V8 Colorado [poncho167] by driver56
Jun 27, 2007 (3:18 pm)

Replying to: poncho167 (Jun 27, 2007 5:21 am)

You're not too opinionated are ya'?
I happen to see the new gen Frontier as a good looking truck. And yes, I do own one. I also realize it is very subjective, all that looks "good" or "ugly". Now that I've owned it for a while, this little Titan just gets better lookin' because it's such a performer. It does everything I ask it to and beyond. Of all the trucks I've driven, going back 35 years, this is the Champ. That said, I seriously looked at the Taco, it was a fairly close second choice, but I see the Taco as a relatively unadorned over-priced truck. Liked it, just not enough. I had hopes for the GM twins, but was dissapointed with their I-5. Nice looking to my eye, could use a little refinement. I wish G.M. good luck.
I bought what suited me the most, I'm happy with that, I hope everyone else does just that.
Cheers!
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Re: V8 Colorado [driver56] by jfritsch
Jun 27, 2007 (4:13 pm)

Replying to: driver56 (Jun 27, 2007 3:18 pm)

The Colorado definitely has a styling thing going on. There was a major advancement in the midsize segment in quality and refinement in 05, with the Toyota, Frontier and to a certain extent the Ridgeline proceeding to a new level with the GM offering being a S-10+.
 
Fit, finish and build is just not there, more competitive with most offerings before 2005, but they missed the next cycle by beating the others to market by a year. The towing, I-5 etc is a further negative.
 
One thing is for sure, if GM has its manufacturing together and is getting 23-25000 for its 4wd crew offering like the others they are making a fortune. Ugly is too subjective, especially with trucks but GM has always had the sheet metal advantage, there are many truck buyers who won't consider an import, and with its 9 mo head start at the intro, has a lot more of these on the road than the other newer designs combined.
 
If I could get $9000 off instead of 4000-6000 off like the others later this year I would buy one.
 
--jjf
 
You're not too opinionated are ya'?
I happen to see the new gen Frontier as a good looking truck. And yes, I do own one. I also realize it is very subjective, all that looks "good" or "ugly". Now that I've owned it for a while, this little Titan just gets better lookin' because it's such a performer. It does everything I ask it to and beyond. Of all the trucks I've driven, going back 35 years, this is the Champ. That said, I seriously looked at the Taco, it was a fairly close second choice, but I see the Taco as a relatively unadorned over-priced truck. Liked it, just not enough. I had hopes for the GM twins, but was dissapointed with their I-5. Nice looking to my eye, could use a little refinement. I wish G.M. good luck.
I bought what suited me the most, I'm happy with that, I hope everyone else does just that.
Cheers!
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Sport Trac vs. Ridgeline by got1b
Jul 08, 2007 (12:20 pm)
Not sure which way to go, I like aspects of both, Ridgeline RTX Price, driving and interior vs. ST's exterior styling, bed, frame, and 4X4 low. According to consumer reviews, its seems ST owners are happier, yet most auto reviews gush over the Ridgeline and are lukewarm over the new ST. Has anyone compared the two? Which did yo buy?
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Re: Sport Trac vs. Ridgeline [got1b] by thegraduate
Jul 08, 2007 (1:27 pm)

Replying to: got1b (Jul 08, 2007 12:20 pm)

It would seem the Ridgeline is the non-trucker's truck. Handling like a car (which is why most auto reviews gush - it handles and rides similarly to an Accord), a lockable in-bed trunk, and a roomy interior. It will be the more refined vehicle than the SportTrac (especially the coarse-sounding 4.0L V6 in the SportTrac). If you need more "truck" and less "car" though, a ST may be just the ticket.
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Re: Sport Trac vs. Ridgeline [got1b] by jfritsch
Jul 08, 2007 (2:22 pm)

Replying to: got1b (Jul 08, 2007 12:20 pm)

If true 4wd performance isn't that important, the Ridgeline is hard to beat for $23000 (RTX). Its a great vehicle for what most would do with a mid size truck.
 
If you really need 4wd, the Tacoma, Frontier, or a Full Size may be the way to go, as I'm not sure how the 4wd is compared to the others on the Sportrac.
 
Good Luck
--jjf
 
Not sure which way to go, I like aspects of both, Ridgeline RTX Price, driving and interior vs. ST's exterior styling, bed, frame, and 4X4 low. According to consumer reviews, its seems ST owners are happier, yet most auto reviews gush over the Ridgeline and are lukewarm over the new ST. Has anyone compared the two? Which did yo buy?
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Re: Sport Trac vs. Ridgeline [thegraduate] by rsholland
Jul 08, 2007 (2:26 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 08, 2007 1:27 pm)

"If you need more "truck" and less "car" though, a ST may be just the ticket."
 
Yet, if you need to haul some plywood, the Ridgeline is the better choice, as it will accept 4' wide paneling flat on the floor between the rear wheel wells. Not so for the SportTrac.
 
Also, I believe the Ridgeline's 1,550 or so pounds payload is a higher than that of the SportTrac.
 
The only major issues I have with the Ridgeline is that there is no low range in the 4x4, and that it (and the Sport Trac too) has a temp spare tire.
 
Here's an Edmunds comparo of the base models of both these two:
 
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison?op=0&tab=pricing&isbasecar=false&modelid=&styleid=&refid=&maxvehicles=5&vehicleindex=&removestyle=&numCars=2&just=center&disclaimer=false&modelId0=100516825&styleId0=100756780&modelId1=100505388&styleId1=100693726
 
Bob

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