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#683 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [poncho167] by donn2390 Jun 09, 2007 (8:06 am)
Replying to: poncho167 (Jun 09, 2007 4:42 am) I have been hearing that 5.3 rumor for over a year. First time I heard it was for this year. I would love to hear confirmation on that. I have been searching the web trying to find out anything I can about the 2008. I was going to buy an '07, but it's so close to the 8's coming out, I am going to wait. I haven't heard of any problems with the '07 heads, so I assume that problem is history. Replies to this message: jfritsch (Jun 09, 2007 4:51 pm) kcram (Jun 09, 2007 4:55 pm) thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 4:56 pm) and 4 more... kipk (Jun 10, 2007 3:31 am) jfritsch (Jun 10, 2007 4:48 am) and 1 more... poncho167 (Jun 16, 2007 10:37 am) jfritsch (Jun 18, 2007 5:05 pm)
#684 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [donn2390] by jfritsch Jun 09, 2007 (4:51 pm)
Replying to: donn2390 (Jun 09, 2007 8:06 am) How in the world would they put a v8 into a chassis that they had to compromise and put a 5 cylinder in as it is? No other mid size (tacoma, frontier, possilbly ridgeline) has anything said about a v8 and they have bigger dimensions and possibly just barely the space for a small one. The Dakota is the only one with a v8 and it is the biggest of the bunch. Keep looking for info on this rumor for the Colorado as you won't find any. Its not gonna happen. This is a compromsied vehicle with a small engine, poor towing and with cheap amenities and expensive too. Get a Frontier, Tacoma, Ridgeline, or if you need GM, or a v8 a Silverado -- one of the best in the fullsize class. (you can work 7-8k off msrp deals now with this truck of the year, 4k off the Tacoma and Frontier and about 6k off the Ridgeline) You may be able to work 8-10k off a Dakota. The dodge Ram 1500 4x4 crew is advertised for 12000 off list frequently, although a large full size. Before you go Colorado please do yourself a favor and drive the alternatives. You will be happy you did. --jjf I have been hearing that 5.3 rumor for over a year. First time I heard it was for this year. I would love to hear confirmation on that. I have been searching the web trying to find out anything I can about the 2008. I was going to buy an '07, but it's so close to the 8's coming out, I am going to wait. I haven't heard of any problems with the '07 heads, so I assume that problem is history. Replies to this message: kcram (Jun 09, 2007 4:55 pm) thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 4:56 pm) kcram (Jun 09, 2007 5:06 pm) and 3 more... kipk (Jun 10, 2007 3:31 am) jfritsch (Jun 10, 2007 4:48 am) kipk (Jun 10, 2007 1:08 pm)
#685 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [jfritsch] by kcram HOST Jun 09, 2007 (4:55 pm)
Replying to: jfritsch (Jun 09, 2007 4:51 pm) Same way they got the 5.3 in the Impala. It's not about the power, it's the size. The 5.3 is only 4 cylinders "long" as opposed to the I-5 which takes up more space lengthwise. This is why Colorado/Canyon critics have wondered for years why GM didn't use the 4.3 V6. kcram - Pickups Host Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 4:56 pm) kcram (Jun 09, 2007 5:06 pm) thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 5:10 pm) and 2 more...
#686 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [kcram] by thegraduate Jun 09, 2007 (4:56 pm)
Replying to: kcram (Jun 09, 2007 4:55 pm) This is why Colorado/Canyon critics have wondered for years why GM didn't use the 4.3 V6. Did we ever get an answer on that one? Replies to this message: kcram (Jun 09, 2007 5:06 pm) thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 5:10 pm) donn2390 (Jun 09, 2007 8:14 pm) and 1 more...
#687 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [thegraduate] by kcram HOST Jun 09, 2007 (5:06 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 4:56 pm) I've heard because it's based on the old 350 (4.3 just has 2 cyls cut off) and they'd prefer to use a newer engine design. I'd think it would be a better stopgap than the I-5 until they get a new truck V-6 in production. kcram - Pickups Host Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 5:10 pm) donn2390 (Jun 09, 2007 8:14 pm) thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 10:38 pm)
#688 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [kcram] by thegraduate Jun 09, 2007 (5:10 pm)
Replying to: kcram (Jun 09, 2007 5:06 pm) Ah. Makes sense...sort of. They seemilngly alienated a few die-hard truck guys who wanted some real torque from a traditional engine. I really don't know, is there a new truck V6 coming anytime soon? Or is the 3.6 GM's only real "V6" they've got now outside of the old 3.5/3.9 ~~pushrods~~ cam-in-block designs?(The 2.8L V6 found in the Saab doesn't count to me, 210 hp is now in 4-cylinder's territory). --TheGrad Replies to this message: donn2390 (Jun 09, 2007 8:14 pm) thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 10:38 pm)
#689 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [thegraduate] by donn2390 Jun 09, 2007 (8:14 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 5:10 pm) GM invested far too much money in the new technology of the I-5 to go backwards to the 4.3 V6. The I-5 is tomorrow, so don't hold your breath on getting a V6, which has far less HP. The V8 is a possibility because it uses the same frame as the Hummer which has the V8. Seems to fit fine in there..! Before I would ever consider buying foreign, I will continue to drive my '91 S-10 with 160 K on it. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jun 09, 2007 10:38 pm)
#690 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [donn2390] by thegraduate Jun 09, 2007 (10:38 pm)
Replying to: donn2390 (Jun 09, 2007 8:14 pm) On a random side note, I just got hit by an older S-10 (the really boxy years) that had racing stripes on it. The pictures of my wrecked car are on my carspace. You didn't by chance hit me yesterday did ya? Just messin with ya.
#691 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [jfritsch] by kipk Jun 10, 2007 (3:31 am)
Replying to: jfritsch (Jun 09, 2007 4:51 pm) Prices you are quoting seem a bit too good to be true! <b>"Get a Frontier, Tacoma, Ridgeline, or if you need GM, or a v8 a Silverado -- one of the best in the fullsize class. (you can work 7-8k off msrp deals now with this truck of the year, 4k off the Tacoma and Frontier and about 6k off the Ridgeline) You may be able to work 8-10k off a Dakota. ," These prices are way below dealer cost and dealer holdback. Please explain how you do it. A friend is looking to buy a New Silverado right now ! Thanks, Kip Replies to this message: jfritsch (Jun 10, 2007 4:48 am) kipk (Jun 10, 2007 1:08 pm)
#692 of 751 Re: V8 for 2008 Colorado [kipk] by jfritsch Jun 10, 2007 (4:48 am)
Replying to: kipk (Jun 10, 2007 3:31 am) Check out my message 14394 in the Honda Accord prices paid section. All ya need to know. Email 10-30 dealers for quotes end of the month. All the full size pickups -Tundra, f series Silverado wholesale about 10k off MSRP year one. They will not move without sizeable incentives. Obviously for a good deal you want a considerable amount off. You want about 7-8k+ off a 30+ k Silverado for a good deal and more for the Dodges. Silverado has had a reprieve from the norm the last few months for the Truck of the year headline but economics are returning to normal. Newly introduced Tundra too. If your friend needs a full size tell him to investigate the Dodge 1500 4x4 crew or even mega crew. Its advertised frequently for 12k off MSRP a 5.7 hemi 33+k truck. Doing the above may produce an even bigger discount from the right dealer towards end of this month or next. Please don't take invoice -holdback- advertised rebates/dealer incentives and assume you know dealer cost. Invoice has been more a nominal figure for more than 15 years. Unadvertised dealer cash and such for numerous models and particularly for the 20 mpg segment the last 3 years has been very substantial. Buying a Dodge Durango for dealer "cost" with advertised rebates,holdback and such for a 7500 discount from MSRP is very painful. Its advertised frequently for 10k+ off. It wholesales 14000+ off MSRP year one. This is one of the more extreme examples for illustration of hidden dealer cash. August will probably be a shooting gallery again with major discounts on Honda Pilot (7500+ off 6000 off now) etc. If your friend is flexible on colors and such waiting a month or two getting some competitive bids end of month may produce some really great deals. $4000 off a 26000+ Frontier or Tacoma crew, $5000 off the 4runner is no big whoop now. In general taking the wholesale price of a year old used vehicle like the one you're looking for and adding 15-20% is a useful target price for a new vehicle. Obviously you're shooting for the lower or better towards end of the model year. This holds for 95% of production vehicles. It also illustrates buying a year old used car anymore isn't usually a great idea. If you want extended warranties try to keep it around $700 or so for a 7year/100k bumper to bumper factory warranty for the Ford or Chev (they already have sizeable warranties) and $1000 or so for the Dodge (funny everyone else is extending their standard powertrain warranties and Dodge dropped their 7/70 last year). Happy Hunting --jjf Prices you are quoting seem a bit too good to be true! "Get a Frontier, Tacoma, Ridgeline, or if you need GM, or a v8 a Silverado -- one of the best in the fullsize class. (you can work 7-8k off msrp deals now with this truck of the year, 4k off the Tacoma and Frontier and about 6k off the Ridgeline) You may be able to work 8-10k off a Dakota. ," These prices are way below dealer cost and dealer holdback. Please explain how you do it. A friend is looking to buy a New Silverado right now ! Thanks, Kip Replies to this message: kipk (Jun 10, 2007 1:08 pm)