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#670 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [rsholland] by kipk May 15, 2007 (7:36 am)
Replying to: rsholland (May 15, 2007 7:11 am) Here is that definition: "A pickup truck or pick-up is a light motor vehicle with an open-top rear cargo area. In North America, the word pickup generally refers to a small or medium sized truck, rather than vehicles based on passenger cars. This light commercial vehicle features: a separate cabin and rear load area or compartment (separate cargo bed). Two North American vehicles, the Chevrolet El Camino and Ford Ranchero were passenger car-based vehicles with integrated cargo bed, but were not generally referred to as pickup trucks, because they were actually derived from station wagons." Notice they didn't mention the Ridgeline? This could have been written a L-O-N-G time ago, or they have no problem with the Ridgeline Pickup!! "A pickup truck or pick-up is a light motor vehicle with an open-top rear cargo area." In the case of the Ranchero and El Camino, virtually nothing about them was changed from a passenger car, other than the rear half of the top was gone. The Ridgeline is another story altogether. Separate frame as with most other pickups, stronger suspension, stronger rear drive and so on! "This light commercial vehicle features: a separate cabin and rear load area or compartment (separate cargo bed)". Their definition doesn't suggest the separation needs to be a gap. Or that the bed can be unbolted and removed separate from the cab. With a Pilot, the cargo area and passenger area are under one roof, and actually can/do interchange. With the Ridgeline, the two do not share the same space. Passengers are inside the cabin and cargo is carried in the separate open bed that is in no way interlaced with the inside of the cabin. Chances are good the Pilot bed is rated to carry the same +/- load as any other Midsize pickup. This was not true with the El Camino and Ranchero. The Avalanche is another story as the two are expected to inter wind according to the whims of the owner. Kip
#671 of 751 OK, not to change the subject, but... by kreuzer May 15, 2007 (12:51 pm)
does anyone know if Honda will be coming out with a smaller pickup truck - - smaller as in the Ridgeline? I can't believe they haven't tried it already since they build quality products and could give both domestic and foreign a run for their money. Any comments or news? Replies to this message: thegraduate (May 15, 2007 2:59 pm) driver56 (May 15, 2007 6:39 pm) thegraduate (May 15, 2007 8:20 pm) kipk (May 16, 2007 4:31 am) and 1 more...
#672 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [kreuzer] by thegraduate May 15, 2007 (2:59 pm)
Replying to: kreuzer (May 15, 2007 12:51 pm) I wouldn't imagine there would be a market for a smaller truck than the Ridgeline. The Ridgeline competes with the current "mid-size" trucks, which are the smallest ones in the market (Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado, etc...) Replies to this message: driver56 (May 15, 2007 6:39 pm) thegraduate (May 15, 2007 8:20 pm) kipk (May 16, 2007 4:31 am) driver56 (May 16, 2007 6:21 am)
#673 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [thegraduate] by driver56 May 15, 2007 (6:39 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (May 15, 2007 2:59 pm) I'd like to see the Ford Ranger/Mazda B-Series continue on as true compacts. Isn't the Ranger still selling well? There is supposedly a redesign in the works for the 2010 model year, Mazda may drop their truck altogether. Personally, these small trucks have always had some appeal, but I always felt a little cramped inside them. I am glad I held off for a mid-sized. Replies to this message: thegraduate (May 15, 2007 8:20 pm) kipk (May 16, 2007 4:31 am) driver56 (May 16, 2007 6:21 am)
#674 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [driver56] by thegraduate May 15, 2007 (8:20 pm)
Replying to: driver56 (May 15, 2007 6:39 pm) I think the reason the ~~1995~~ I mean 2007 Ranger is still selling well is due to fleets only. It is not very competitive with the midsizers. I think the 3.0L V6 has about the same horsepower as my grandfather's 1999 Frontier 4-cylinder (143 hp sounds right?). C'mon Ford, don't let the Ranger go the way of the (once class-topping) Windstar or Focus!
#675 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [driver56] by kipk May 16, 2007 (4:31 am)
Replying to: driver56 (May 15, 2007 6:39 pm) They certainly are the last of the breed. At least on this side of the pond. But do they really offer anything that the Toy or Fronty don't? Kip Replies to this message: driver56 (May 16, 2007 6:21 am)
#676 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [kipk] by driver56 May 16, 2007 (6:21 am)
Replying to: kipk (May 16, 2007 4:31 am) Only compactness and a lower price. My nephew's 03 B-Series 3 litre V-6 travels the same distance on a gallon as does my 07 Frontier 4 litre V-6. How's that for engineering. That said, I'd still like to see these true compact trucks hang in there. They certainly are long in the tooth though. Cheers!
#677 of 751 Sleeping in car/truck? by climr May 18, 2007 (9:19 am)
Does anyone have any ideas on what some good options are for cars/trucks that are sleepable for 2 adults. I'm looking at pickups, mostly the Tacoma, but was curious if anyone has any experience sleeping in different types of vehicles? I would like to find something smaller than the Tacoma maybe even a hatchback/small SUV. Replies to this message: thegraduate (May 18, 2007 3:13 pm) kipk (May 19, 2007 3:21 am) asa (May 19, 2007 4:29 am) poncho167 (May 20, 2007 5:12 am)
#678 of 751 Re: Sleeping in car/truck? [climr] by thegraduate May 18, 2007 (3:13 pm)
Replying to: climr (May 18, 2007 9:19 am) Check out the seating configurations of the Honda Fit hatchback by clicking here. It has several different modes you can set the seats in, including for sleeping, and sitting up with your legs stretched out. Lots of cargo room too, and a price of about $15,000 with in-town economy in the 30s.
#679 of 751 Re: Sleeping in car/truck? [climr] by kipk May 19, 2007 (3:21 am)
Replying to: climr (May 18, 2007 9:19 am) I believe the Honda Element uses "Sleeping Options" as one of their sales tools. The back seats lay flat and the front seats lay flat and join the rear ones to form two single beds! Haven't tried it though.