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#667 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [jfritsch] by kipk May 15, 2007 (3:09 am)
Replying to: jfritsch (May 14, 2007 12:29 pm) "No way. A pickup has to have a cab bolted onto the frame and a separate bed bolted 1/2" behind it. And a separation line clearly visible between the cab and the bed. Thats the way its gotta be. " Thanks for clearing that up! I must have been having a senior moment? Reminds me: Many moons ago, Saab had a commercial showing the advantages of front wheel drive. They drove it UP a ski slope. Seems they showed how Volvo's RWD didn't get very far. Though there were other FWD vehicles on the road, they were still rare. Those of us in the "KNOW" realized the FWD thing was a passing fad and would never last or become popular. Kip
#668 of 751 Re: Frontier [driver56] by kipk May 15, 2007 (3:26 am)
Replying to: driver56 (May 14, 2007 4:17 pm) My son had a Tacoma V6, 4wd that he "ragged" on pretty hard. He did at least change the oil on a regular basis. Sold that truck with over 200K miles and the engine was still running fine and not using oil. For some reason the Toyota small V8 doesn't seem to be much of a performance advantage over the V6, although it seems to be reliable. Never understood that! The new 5.7L appears to be a winner. I think the 5.7 in a Tacoma would be interesting. Kip
#669 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [jfritsch] by rsholland May 15, 2007 (7:11 am)
Replying to: jfritsch (May 14, 2007 12:29 pm) I think I'll stick to this definition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_truck Bob Replies to this message: kipk (May 15, 2007 7:36 am)
#670 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [rsholland] by kipk May 15, 2007 (7:36 am)
Replying to: rsholland (May 15, 2007 7:11 am) Here is that definition: "A pickup truck or pick-up is a light motor vehicle with an open-top rear cargo area. In North America, the word pickup generally refers to a small or medium sized truck, rather than vehicles based on passenger cars. This light commercial vehicle features: a separate cabin and rear load area or compartment (separate cargo bed). Two North American vehicles, the Chevrolet El Camino and Ford Ranchero were passenger car-based vehicles with integrated cargo bed, but were not generally referred to as pickup trucks, because they were actually derived from station wagons." Notice they didn't mention the Ridgeline? This could have been written a L-O-N-G time ago, or they have no problem with the Ridgeline Pickup!! "A pickup truck or pick-up is a light motor vehicle with an open-top rear cargo area." In the case of the Ranchero and El Camino, virtually nothing about them was changed from a passenger car, other than the rear half of the top was gone. The Ridgeline is another story altogether. Separate frame as with most other pickups, stronger suspension, stronger rear drive and so on! "This light commercial vehicle features: a separate cabin and rear load area or compartment (separate cargo bed)". Their definition doesn't suggest the separation needs to be a gap. Or that the bed can be unbolted and removed separate from the cab. With a Pilot, the cargo area and passenger area are under one roof, and actually can/do interchange. With the Ridgeline, the two do not share the same space. Passengers are inside the cabin and cargo is carried in the separate open bed that is in no way interlaced with the inside of the cabin. Chances are good the Pilot bed is rated to carry the same +/- load as any other Midsize pickup. This was not true with the El Camino and Ranchero. The Avalanche is another story as the two are expected to inter wind according to the whims of the owner. Kip
#671 of 751 OK, not to change the subject, but... by kreuzer May 15, 2007 (12:51 pm)
does anyone know if Honda will be coming out with a smaller pickup truck - - smaller as in the Ridgeline? I can't believe they haven't tried it already since they build quality products and could give both domestic and foreign a run for their money. Any comments or news? Replies to this message: thegraduate (May 15, 2007 2:59 pm) driver56 (May 15, 2007 6:39 pm) thegraduate (May 15, 2007 8:20 pm) kipk (May 16, 2007 4:31 am) and 1 more...
#672 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [kreuzer] by thegraduate May 15, 2007 (2:59 pm)
Replying to: kreuzer (May 15, 2007 12:51 pm) I wouldn't imagine there would be a market for a smaller truck than the Ridgeline. The Ridgeline competes with the current "mid-size" trucks, which are the smallest ones in the market (Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado, etc...) Replies to this message: driver56 (May 15, 2007 6:39 pm) thegraduate (May 15, 2007 8:20 pm) kipk (May 16, 2007 4:31 am) driver56 (May 16, 2007 6:21 am)
#673 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [thegraduate] by driver56 May 15, 2007 (6:39 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (May 15, 2007 2:59 pm) I'd like to see the Ford Ranger/Mazda B-Series continue on as true compacts. Isn't the Ranger still selling well? There is supposedly a redesign in the works for the 2010 model year, Mazda may drop their truck altogether. Personally, these small trucks have always had some appeal, but I always felt a little cramped inside them. I am glad I held off for a mid-sized. Replies to this message: thegraduate (May 15, 2007 8:20 pm) kipk (May 16, 2007 4:31 am) driver56 (May 16, 2007 6:21 am)
#674 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [driver56] by thegraduate May 15, 2007 (8:20 pm)
Replying to: driver56 (May 15, 2007 6:39 pm) I think the reason the ~~1995~~ I mean 2007 Ranger is still selling well is due to fleets only. It is not very competitive with the midsizers. I think the 3.0L V6 has about the same horsepower as my grandfather's 1999 Frontier 4-cylinder (143 hp sounds right?). C'mon Ford, don't let the Ranger go the way of the (once class-topping) Windstar or Focus!
#675 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [driver56] by kipk May 16, 2007 (4:31 am)
Replying to: driver56 (May 15, 2007 6:39 pm) They certainly are the last of the breed. At least on this side of the pond. But do they really offer anything that the Toy or Fronty don't? Kip Replies to this message: driver56 (May 16, 2007 6:21 am)
#676 of 751 Re: OK, not to change the subject, but... [kipk] by driver56 May 16, 2007 (6:21 am)
Replying to: kipk (May 16, 2007 4:31 am) Only compactness and a lower price. My nephew's 03 B-Series 3 litre V-6 travels the same distance on a gallon as does my 07 Frontier 4 litre V-6. How's that for engineering. That said, I'd still like to see these true compact trucks hang in there. They certainly are long in the tooth though. Cheers!