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What is this discussion about? Honda Ridgeline, Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon, Dodge Dakota, Ford Explorer Sport Trac, Car Comparisons, Truck


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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [poncho167] by driver56
May 12, 2007 (11:23 am)

Replying to: poncho167 (May 12, 2007 5:56 am)

A common definition of a pickup is : a vehicle with an open rear cargo area for picking up stuff.
I suppose we could call the Ridgeline a Sport Utility Pickup. A SUP.
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [poncho167] by kipk
May 13, 2007 (4:24 pm)

Replying to: poncho167 (May 12, 2007 5:56 am)

"My point was the Ridgeline is being marketed as a pickup truck when it is not. A pickup truck has a separate cab and separate bed."
 
Why do you think the cab and bed have to be separate?
 
Edmunds says: "A Truck is a vehicle with two or four doors and an exposed cargo box."
 
If I take the bed off my pickup, is it still a pickup?
If I cover the cargo box, is it still a pickup?
 
Kip
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [kipk] by jfritsch
May 14, 2007 (12:29 pm)

Replying to: kipk (May 13, 2007 4:24 pm)

No way. A pickup has to have a cab bolted onto the frame and a separate bed bolted 1/2" behind it. And a separation line clearly visible between the cab and the bed. Thats the way its gotta be.
 
--jjf
 
My point was the Ridgeline is being marketed as a pickup truck when it is not. A pickup truck has a separate cab and separate bed."
  
Why do you think the cab and bed have to be separate?
  
Edmunds says: "A Truck is a vehicle with two or four doors and an exposed cargo box."
  
If I take the bed off my pickup, is it still a pickup?
If I cover the cargo box, is it still a pickup?
  
Kip
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Re: Frontier [kipk] by asa
May 14, 2007 (2:35 pm)

Replying to: kipk (Mar 14, 2007 5:41 am)

<Toyota and Nissan (Datsun) have been building quality 4 cylinder engines since just before dirt was invented.>
 
Toyota's 22R ran in dozens of models for many years and it too was a phenominal engine, having been carburated, injected and even factory turboed. My '86 Toyota truck had the turbo 22R and for its day, it was a blast. It had a whopping 135 turbocharged horses. Mine ran great to near 235,000 Miles when I sold it.
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Re: Frontier [asa] by driver56
May 14, 2007 (4:17 pm)

Replying to: asa (May 14, 2007 2:35 pm)

Their sixes aren't half bad neither. BULLET PROOF.
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [jfritsch] by kipk
May 15, 2007 (3:09 am)

Replying to: jfritsch (May 14, 2007 12:29 pm)

"No way. A pickup has to have a cab bolted onto the frame and a separate bed bolted 1/2" behind it. And a separation line clearly visible between the cab and the bed. Thats the way its gotta be. "
 
Thanks for clearing that up! I must have been having a senior moment?
 
Reminds me: Many moons ago, Saab had a commercial showing the advantages of front wheel drive. They drove it UP a ski slope. Seems they showed how Volvo's RWD didn't get very far. Though there were other FWD vehicles on the road, they were still rare.
 
Those of us in the "KNOW" realized the FWD thing was a passing fad and would never last or become popular.
 
Kip
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Re: Frontier [driver56] by kipk
May 15, 2007 (3:26 am)

Replying to: driver56 (May 14, 2007 4:17 pm)

My son had a Tacoma V6, 4wd that he "ragged" on pretty hard. He did at least change the oil on a regular basis. Sold that truck with over 200K miles and the engine was still running fine and not using oil.
 
For some reason the Toyota small V8 doesn't seem to be much of a performance advantage over the V6, although it seems to be reliable. Never understood that!
 
The new 5.7L appears to be a winner.
I think the 5.7 in a Tacoma would be interesting.
 
Kip
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [jfritsch] by rsholland
May 15, 2007 (7:11 am)

Replying to: jfritsch (May 14, 2007 12:29 pm)

I think I'll stick to this definition.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_truck
 
Bob
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [rsholland] by kipk
May 15, 2007 (7:36 am)

Replying to: rsholland (May 15, 2007 7:11 am)

Here is that definition:
 
"A pickup truck or pick-up is a light motor vehicle with an open-top rear cargo area.
 
In North America, the word pickup generally refers to a small or medium sized truck, rather than vehicles based on passenger cars. This light commercial vehicle features: a separate cabin and rear load area or compartment (separate cargo bed).
Two North American vehicles, the Chevrolet El Camino and Ford Ranchero were passenger car-based vehicles with integrated cargo bed, but were not generally referred to as pickup trucks, because they were actually derived from station wagons."

 
Notice they didn't mention the Ridgeline? This could have been written a L-O-N-G time ago, or they have no problem with the Ridgeline Pickup!!
  
"A pickup truck or pick-up is a light motor vehicle with an open-top rear cargo area."
 
In the case of the Ranchero and El Camino, virtually nothing about them was changed from a passenger car, other than the rear half of the top was gone. The Ridgeline is another story altogether. Separate frame as with most other pickups, stronger suspension, stronger rear drive and so on!
 
"This light commercial vehicle features: a separate cabin and rear load area or compartment (separate cargo bed)".
 
Their definition doesn't suggest the separation needs to be a gap. Or that the bed can be unbolted and removed separate from the cab. With a Pilot, the cargo area and passenger area are under one roof, and actually can/do interchange. With the Ridgeline, the two do not share the same space. Passengers are inside the cabin and cargo is carried in the separate open bed that is in no way interlaced with the inside of the cabin. Chances are good the Pilot bed is rated to carry the same +/- load as any other Midsize pickup. This was not true with the El Camino and Ranchero.
 
The Avalanche is another story as the two are expected to inter wind according to the whims of the owner.
 
Kip

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