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What is this discussion about? Honda Ridgeline, Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon, Dodge Dakota, Ford Explorer Sport Trac, Car Comparisons, Truck

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#655 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [poncho167] by jfritsch

May 10, 2007 (10:38 am)

Replying to: poncho167 (May 10, 2007 6:48 am)
The Colorado is abysmal in quality and finish. The 5 cylinder engine rounds out the list.
 
One is down to the Tacoma, Frontier and Ridgeline for something in the mid size segment. Possibly the Dakota if you need to tow but then you can get better deals and quality in the Full size Chevs/Fords than the Dakota.
 
If you want quality in GM you have to go with the Silverado/Sierra full size as they really screwed the pooch in the mid size segment.
 
--jjf
 
"The Colorado is abysmal in quality and finish."
  
Says who? I am aware that they have had some reliability issues with some 2004/2005 models regarding valve springs and premature tire failure, but I am not familiar with quality and finish. I have seen and driven several of these trucks and they are a very good truck. The Colorado will be redone for 2009 from what I hear, and for those finding the front end still too weird, me included, the new one will change peoples minds real fast. It will have 4,6, and 8 cylinder engines. They current Colorado/Canyon may not be best in class, but they are a good light duty truck.
  
The Honda Ridgeline is nothing more than an SUV. The pre-production design of the Ridgeline is rumored to have come from the successful Chevy Avalanche, and the similarities can be seen by putting the pictures side-by-side. Basically the same vehicle but in a smaller size. Will Honda every get a true pickup truck your guess is as good as mine.

#656 of 751 I cant wait by gdog6

May 10, 2007 (6:53 pm)

I cant wait for the 2008 Dakota with 290hp and 350ft-lb
the only thing bad about the Dakota is its low quality interior .

#657 of 751 Re: I cant wait [gdog6] by driver56

May 10, 2007 (7:55 pm)

Replying to: gdog6 (May 10, 2007 6:53 pm)
I read somewhere that the interior was improved. No?

#658 of 751 Re: I cant wait [driver56] by gdog6

May 11, 2007 (4:35 pm)

Replying to: driver56 (May 10, 2007 7:55 pm)
I hope so!
 
Dr Z saved money with the cheap interior so he could get him
a leather jacket
 
Just one more reason he Stinks as a CEO

#659 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [jfritsch] by kipk

May 12, 2007 (4:02 am)

Replying to: jfritsch (May 10, 2007 10:38 am)
"The Honda Ridgeline is nothing more than an SUV".
 
Not uncommon for a line of trucks and SUVs to share chassis, drive trains and such. Sometimes the basic difference is whether or not the bed is open, or if it is covered and has some seats and carpet in place.
 
While there are some differences in spring rates, interior tweaks and such, the chassis and drive trains share a lot more than we know.
 
Same with the Ridgeline and Pilot. Honda is no different than the other mfg in this respect. However, the components under a Ridgeline such as the separate frame, rear 4WD drive components, suspension and such are different from the Pilot. The actual floor pan is probably very similar. Just like the other mfg.
 
As the Ridgeline is front wheel drive, I certainly do not believe the Ridgeline drive train is as strong as a Tacoma or Frontier. I do believe it is stronger than a Pilot. The Ridgeline is after a different market, and does it very well.
 
Personally, if I am going to do serious hauling, I'm going to go full size and V8!
 
Kip

#660 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [kipk] by poncho167

May 12, 2007 (6:56 am)

Replying to: kipk (May 12, 2007 4:02 am)
My point was the Ridgeline is being marketed as a pickup truck when it is not. A pickup truck has a separate cab and seperate bed. The Ridgeline, Avalanche, Cadillac version, are all SUV's.

#661 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [poncho167] by driver56

May 12, 2007 (12:23 pm)

Replying to: poncho167 (May 12, 2007 6:56 am)
A common definition of a pickup is : a vehicle with an open rear cargo area for picking up stuff.
I suppose we could call the Ridgeline a Sport Utility Pickup. A SUP.

#663 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [poncho167] by kipk

May 13, 2007 (5:24 pm)

Replying to: poncho167 (May 12, 2007 6:56 am)
"My point was the Ridgeline is being marketed as a pickup truck when it is not. A pickup truck has a separate cab and separate bed."
 
Why do you think the cab and bed have to be separate?
 
Edmunds says: "A Truck is a vehicle with two or four doors and an exposed cargo box."
 
If I take the bed off my pickup, is it still a pickup?
If I cover the cargo box, is it still a pickup?
 
Kip

#664 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [kipk] by jfritsch

May 14, 2007 (1:29 pm)

Replying to: kipk (May 13, 2007 5:24 pm)
No way. A pickup has to have a cab bolted onto the frame and a separate bed bolted 1/2" behind it. And a separation line clearly visible between the cab and the bed. Thats the way its gotta be.
 
--jjf
 
My point was the Ridgeline is being marketed as a pickup truck when it is not. A pickup truck has a separate cab and separate bed."
  
Why do you think the cab and bed have to be separate?
  
Edmunds says: "A Truck is a vehicle with two or four doors and an exposed cargo box."
  
If I take the bed off my pickup, is it still a pickup?
If I cover the cargo box, is it still a pickup?
  
Kip

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