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What is this discussion about? Honda Ridgeline, Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon, Dodge Dakota, Ford Explorer Sport Trac, Car Comparisons, Truck


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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [jfritsch] by poncho167
May 10, 2007 (5:48 am)

Replying to: jfritsch (Dec 11, 2006 5:38 am)

"The Colorado is abysmal in quality and finish."
 
Says who? I am aware that they have had some reliability issues with some 2004/2005 models regarding valve springs and premature tire failure, but I am not familiar with quality and finish. I have seen and driven several of these trucks and they are a very good truck. The Colorado will be redone for 2009 from what I hear, and for those finding the front end still too weird, me included, the new one will change peoples minds real fast. It will have 4,6, and 8 cylinder engines. They current Colorado/Canyon may not be best in class, but they are a good light duty truck.
 
The Honda Ridgeline is nothing more than an SUV. The pre-production design of the Ridgeline is rumored to have come from the successful Chevy Avalanche, and the similarities can be seen by putting the pictures side-by-side. Basically the same vehicle but in a smaller size. Will Honda every get a true pickup truck your guess is as good as mine.
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Re: Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon [poncho167] by driver56
May 10, 2007 (7:38 am)

Replying to: poncho167 (May 10, 2007 5:27 am)

CR and Lemon-Aid have been my "Bibles" for many years. I've picked up a number of autos on their recommendations. That said, there have been discrepancies and contradictions when comparing the two. I consider CR and L-A legitimate, but take them with a grain of salt. I read everything I can, in hard copy, through the internet, or I chat with owners. I try to take it all in before a decision is made.
Regarding CR, I focus more on their long term tests than I do on their reliability surveys, of which as a subscriber, I have played a part. There is room for human error. One has to jog the memory when asked questions, or have the past year work invoices in front of them to be correct. Our memories are selective, and I have yet to drag up my invoices. In other words, it is a fairly casual process. We, as human beings, like to believe just what we want. We like to think we make good decisions, good choices, and want to project that. We like to talk about the wins, not so much the losses. But we're capable of good and bad mouthing.
Also, I have not yet been able to match my experiences of my vehicles with that of the survey stats. That is my personal experience. I've owned 7 vehicles in my life, they have all been decent. American Motors, Ford, Honda, Mazda, Volvo, Toyota, Nissan ( New). I maintained them equally, they all offered me good service. Of the past six, none stood out.
 
You do make a good point.
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [poncho167] by driver56
May 10, 2007 (7:57 am)

Replying to: poncho167 (May 10, 2007 5:48 am)

No such thing as best really. I bought an 07 Frontier because, for me, I felt it offered the most bang for my hard earned dollar. I believe that still. The Tacoma was a consideration, the Dakota wouldn't have fit into my garage, the G.M. products I was disappointed in because of their choice of engine. I think they should have up-sized slightly and stuck with the 6. The Honda? Too wide, poor visibility rearward, too expensive here in Canada. Would have frustrated me off-road. Rides nice, handles well on pavement. Odd looking initially, but could grow on you. The Honda may suit more people over all.
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [poncho167] by jfritsch
May 10, 2007 (9:38 am)

Replying to: poncho167 (May 10, 2007 5:48 am)

The Colorado is abysmal in quality and finish. The 5 cylinder engine rounds out the list.
 
One is down to the Tacoma, Frontier and Ridgeline for something in the mid size segment. Possibly the Dakota if you need to tow but then you can get better deals and quality in the Full size Chevs/Fords than the Dakota.
 
If you want quality in GM you have to go with the Silverado/Sierra full size as they really screwed the pooch in the mid size segment.
 
--jjf
 
"The Colorado is abysmal in quality and finish."
  
Says who? I am aware that they have had some reliability issues with some 2004/2005 models regarding valve springs and premature tire failure, but I am not familiar with quality and finish. I have seen and driven several of these trucks and they are a very good truck. The Colorado will be redone for 2009 from what I hear, and for those finding the front end still too weird, me included, the new one will change peoples minds real fast. It will have 4,6, and 8 cylinder engines. They current Colorado/Canyon may not be best in class, but they are a good light duty truck.
  
The Honda Ridgeline is nothing more than an SUV. The pre-production design of the Ridgeline is rumored to have come from the successful Chevy Avalanche, and the similarities can be seen by putting the pictures side-by-side. Basically the same vehicle but in a smaller size. Will Honda every get a true pickup truck your guess is as good as mine.
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I cant wait by gdog6
May 10, 2007 (5:53 pm)
I cant wait for the 2008 Dakota with 290hp and 350ft-lb
the only thing bad about the Dakota is its low quality interior .
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Re: I cant wait [gdog6] by driver56
May 10, 2007 (6:55 pm)

Replying to: gdog6 (May 10, 2007 5:53 pm)

I read somewhere that the interior was improved. No?
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Re: I cant wait [driver56] by gdog6
May 11, 2007 (3:35 pm)

Replying to: driver56 (May 10, 2007 6:55 pm)

I hope so!
 
Dr Z saved money with the cheap interior so he could get him
a leather jacket
 
Just one more reason he Stinks as a CEO
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [jfritsch] by kipk
May 12, 2007 (3:02 am)

Replying to: jfritsch (May 10, 2007 9:38 am)

"The Honda Ridgeline is nothing more than an SUV".
 
Not uncommon for a line of trucks and SUVs to share chassis, drive trains and such. Sometimes the basic difference is whether or not the bed is open, or if it is covered and has some seats and carpet in place.
 
While there are some differences in spring rates, interior tweaks and such, the chassis and drive trains share a lot more than we know.
 
Same with the Ridgeline and Pilot. Honda is no different than the other mfg in this respect. However, the components under a Ridgeline such as the separate frame, rear 4WD drive components, suspension and such are different from the Pilot. The actual floor pan is probably very similar. Just like the other mfg.
 
As the Ridgeline is front wheel drive, I certainly do not believe the Ridgeline drive train is as strong as a Tacoma or Frontier. I do believe it is stronger than a Pilot. The Ridgeline is after a different market, and does it very well.
 
Personally, if I am going to do serious hauling, I'm going to go full size and V8!
 
Kip
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [kipk] by poncho167
May 12, 2007 (5:56 am)

Replying to: kipk (May 12, 2007 3:02 am)

My point was the Ridgeline is being marketed as a pickup truck when it is not. A pickup truck has a separate cab and seperate bed. The Ridgeline, Avalanche, Cadillac version, are all SUV's.
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Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [poncho167] by driver56
May 12, 2007 (11:23 am)

Replying to: poncho167 (May 12, 2007 5:56 am)

A common definition of a pickup is : a vehicle with an open rear cargo area for picking up stuff.
I suppose we could call the Ridgeline a Sport Utility Pickup. A SUP.

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