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Honda Ridgeline, Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon, Dodge Dakota, Ford Explorer Sport Trac, Car Comparisons, Truck
#584 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [kgrgunman]
Dec 13, 2006 (6:08 am)
The spare tire problem is by no means huge. When I hauled a piano I just took the spare out of the trunk. Forget 10 sheets of plywood.. (can only fit that many on boards above the wheelwells on your Taco, Colorado or Frontier?) Hauled 30 sheets of plywood that fit great. Honda gives you some help with the 300lb dynamic load rating on the tailgate (much more than the others), so the bed extender comes in handy too, along with the 6 tiedown points. Don't really need the track system for the tiedowns but the Frontier's looks more useful than the Taco's.
The Ridgeline's bed is the same length as the SB models of the others. Practically longer because of the heavier rating of the tailgate. Frontier introduced a 6ft bed for 07? great.
Yeah, if I were going to spend 26000 for a work truck, I would probably go with a Tacoma. But I won't spend 26000 on a work truck, as I drop cinder blocks 5 feet into the 12 year old Silverado, or the trailer I have for that sort of thing, or hauling dirty gravel. Maybe the delivery man gets a workout now and then.
RL will out turn all the small trucks except the Taco even being 5inches wider. I do understand, despite its odd looks, why they gave it Truck of the Year Award. Much more manueverable (and cheaper) than the Avalanche.
Maybe with the AWD I can pull some of the 2wd Taco's out of a snowdrift or something. Or maybe just call a towtruck for ya.
This is just silly to get defensive as owners of the king of the work trucks (the Silverado and F series) will claim all the Taco, Fronty, Colorado and Rl owners don't have "real" trucks anyway. And then why the Silverado owners are stupid not to have the F-250, or vice versa, ad nauseum.
has one huge problem with the ridgeline, the spare tire is in the 'bed trunk' i'm sure not too many ridgelines get used as trucks, but what do you do if you're driving with 10 sheets of plywood in your truck and you get a flat? pull over on the side of the freeway and unload everything from your bed just to change your tire then load everything back into your bed? godhonda forbid you're carying a load of rocks of something like that, you'd have to get your truck towed because you can't change your tire.
the in bed trunk sounds good, unless you plan on using your truck as a truck.
i had this choice to make back in 2005 and i chose the 2005 Toyota Tacoma X-runner. i work out of my truck, installing window coverings, so i carry a ladder and many boxes every day, nothing at all heavy, but some long boxes and odd shapes. i have no need for 4wd (i have a '91 4wd pickup if i ever go offroad) the X-runner is the best handling truck on the market at any price. at the drag strip i've raced and beaten a 2005 nissan frontier extracab SE v6 manual by 0.5 sec in the 1/4mile (may or my not be the driver)some people like the composite bed and some don't, i love my bed, even if it was a $2,000 option i'd still get it over a metal bed. the tie down system is top notch, i've always got a place to tie down everything and the in bed storage that the tacoma has gives me a great place to put rope and bungees so i always have them handy. the in bed power outlet is nice, but not needed, the only time i use it is if i want to charge my drill battery while driving to a job.
the tacoma was and still is the best truck for me, when not working it's great to have a nimble and quick truck around town.
#585 of 751 Stats for all Mid size trucks
Dec 14, 2006 (5:21 pm)
Here are some stats for the 2007 Mid-Size truck segment.
2007 Ford Ranger 207 hp 230 lbs ft torque 3.4 L V6 4A
2007 Honda Ridgeline 247 hp 255 lbs ft torque 3.5 L V6 5A
2007 Dodge Dakota 230 hp 290 lbs ft torque 4.7 L V8 5A
2007 Nissan Frontier 261 hp 281 lbs feet torque 4.0 L V6
2007 Toyota Tacoma 236 hp 266 pounds feet torque 4.0 L V6 5A
Here are the tow ratings
Ranger 5000 pounds
Ridgeline 5000 pounds
Dakota 7000 pounds (if V8 engine equiped)
Frontier 6500 (if V6 4x4 engine equiped)
Tacoma 6500 (if V6 engine equiped)
thats all for now.
* this artilce was typed fast so there may be a mistake
#586 of 751 Re: Stats for all Mid size trucks [iqbaldhillon2]
Dec 14, 2006 (9:32 pm)
The Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon I-5 has 242 hp and 242 lbs ft of torque 3.7L I-5 4A
It can only tow 4,000 pounds - weakest in the class.
#587 of 751 Re: Stats for all Mid size trucks [thegraduate]
Dec 15, 2006 (2:56 pm)
Thanks for the info. I must have missed the Colorado/Canyon
#588 of 751 Re: My Comparo [varmint]
Dec 15, 2006 (8:43 pm)
GM could have taken the frame from their full size truck and the I6 or keep the 4.3 V6 and had something half way decent. That's what Nissan did when they build the Frontier. Took the frame and automatic from the Titan, transmission from the 350ZX for the manual version and a world class engine and you have a hit.
GM decided to make a fool of themselves and put a neutered I6(lopped off a cylinder). I heard that the reason that HAD to do this was because the frame was sourced from ISUZU(another company on life support). So when it came time to use the I6 it was too long for the ISUZU frame. Solution......hack off a cylinder and you have an I5......
Just another example of, "it's good enough mentality".
GM tried to pull the wool over the GTO admires by putting the GTO name on a Cavalier look alike. The sales were slow with the first intro so their solution throw more horse power and a hood scoop.
As we can all see the GTO was a flop
Dec 15, 2006 (10:03 pm)
The Frontier probably is the slightly better value of the two, and has disc brakes all the way around..Toyota really irritates me by using drums in the rear of the Tacoma, and by offering options in expensive packages instead of piecemeal. hello- why isn't cruise control standard on a $23,000 truck?? With that said, I bought a new Tacoma two weeks ago and love it..The main reason I didn't buy the Nissan is because both local dealers are notorious for gouging and pressuring customers, while the local Toyota dealer is above reproach--not to mention I bought it from a friend of a friend who was courteous and professional from beginning to end of the sale. paid a little more than expected , but I'm satisfied and don't regret it a bit.. Merry Christmas to everyone!
#590 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [kgrgunman]
Dec 16, 2006 (2:53 am)
...honda has one huge problem with the ridgeline, the spare tire is in the 'bed trunk' i'm sure not too many ridgelines get used as trucks, but what do you do if you're driving with 10 sheets of plywood in your truck and you get a flat?...the in bed trunk sounds good, unless you plan on using your truck as a truck.... i work out of my truck, installing window coverings, so i carry a ladder and many boxes every day, nothing at all heavy, but some long boxes and odd shapes....
I can understand and fully appreciate your points. For a truck that is used as a daily loaded work truck the Ridgeline spare tire location is anything but ideal. Especially if constantly visiting work sites where flat tires are possibly a real issue.
On the other hand, the everyday serious work truck is probably not the market Honda is aiming at. I would think that 90% of "TRUCK" owners will use their trucks more like cars most of the time, with the occasional trip to Lowes, H-Depot, or the Shrub nursery. The young soccer players can throw their muddy gear there and yet there is still a (non intrusive) water tight lockable tool box for tool box stuff. In most any other truck the tool box is going to sit in the bed and take up space.
Last time I got a flat, a can of "Fix-A-Flat" and the portable cigarette lighter powered air pump handled the problem. That was probably the only Flat in our family of 3 cars over a 5-10 year period.
For a purely work truck I would choose the Forty or Toyota. For a Part time Truck/Full time Family Vehicle, the RL wins by far.
#591 of 751 Re: Stats for all Mid size trucks [iqbaldhillon2]
Dec 16, 2006 (8:05 am)
That Ford Ranger 207 H.P. would be a 4 litre I believe.
#592 of 751 Re: Frontier best small truck, Colorado lagging [kipk]
Dec 16, 2006 (8:24 am)
Last time I got a flat, a can of "Fix-A-Flat" and the portable cigarette lighter powered air pump handled the problem.
Use caution on when using any liquid tire repair solutions on a vehicle equipped with TPMS systems. All of the 07's being compared have TPMS and many of the 06's.
Also, make sure repair shop is notified of the TPMS system to prevent damage to the sensor.
The sensors are very expensive and fix a flat type chemicals are said to possibly damage the sensors. At least that is what the TPMS manufacturers say.
The sensors are EXPENSIVE to replace.
#593 of 751 Couple points
Dec 16, 2006 (11:45 am)
Rear discs are real nice to look at. They do nothing for your braking unless you have a big load in the back. Otherwise, therte is no problem getting enough braking to lock the rears up (unless you have anti-lock, which is exactly why anti-lock was made, because rears had enough power to keep locking up). The comment about using fix a flat tells what wasteful direction the country has taken. It has become easier to replace a ruined tire and wheel than it is to get a little dirty changing a tire. Once that stuff gets onto the wheel and tire, the life of both is drastically reduced due to corrosion and rubber breakdown. Fix a flat is designed if you are far from civilization and you discover that you have a stuck wheel stud or a flat spare. Emergency use is what it is for.