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Honda Ridgeline, Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon, Dodge Dakota, Ford Explorer Sport Trac, Car Comparisons, Truck
May 20, 2006 (4:53 am)
I have been looking at this page about the differences of the mid-size trucks. The first thing I have to say is no the Colorado is not in the same class or the toyo or the nissan. It is what it is but if you are a Chevy person like me you want to stay with a brand you like. I have had my 2004 ext cab 4x4 I5 auto trans for about 2 years with no major problems. The truck does just what it has promised it would do and that is to have a 4x4 with good gas milage and very dependable. Either be happy with it or buy something else.
#504 of 751 How well would a Ranger compete? (Thai model)
May 20, 2006 (8:27 pm)
Would the Thai version of Ranger be competitive in this class?
Ranger is absent from this comparison. New model Ranger was introduced in 2006 for markets outside North America.
I believe that Ford would be well served to introduce the Thai built model in the US. Especially with the diesel.
The Twin Cities Ranger plant is scheduled to close and Ford has not stated if the Ranger will be built off the Explorer chasis or if a new chasis will be designed and built in to be decided plant.
For what it is worth, IMO the photography of the Thai built Ranger is impressive, especially compared to the current USA version.
#505 of 751 Re: How well would a Ranger compete? (Thai model) [moparbad]
May 21, 2006 (8:05 am)
Not so sure about the Thai Ranger, as it means little to folks here. I would include our Sport Trac, however.
May 21, 2006 (1:47 pm)
Host, would you include the Ford Sport-Trac in this discussion for me please? I created this thread before the new, more competitve model was released. I appreciate your help if you can do so...
#507 of 751 Re: mpg [sugarman1]
May 22, 2006 (6:35 pm)
I agree, I've never seen trucks even compact size got averagely 26.4 mpg. Especially the Frontier's engine is more powerful, also, curb weight's bigger than Tacoma. If nothing's wrong, the vehicle's mpg is always related to engine's power and curb weight. Have you heard of 20 mpg Escalade or Navigator? So just precisely measure the mpg like sugarman1 said, I think 22 might be the most.
#508 of 751 Toy WON"T Deal on Tacoma!
May 23, 2006 (5:10 am)
Fact! I know I shopped hard on them and Frontier. Rather by buying Frontier I made mistake time will tell. 1500 miles as of this post,so far a OK! Will post Hiway miles after NC trip 450 one way.
#509 of 751 Re: Toy WON"T Deal on Tacoma! [critter1]
May 23, 2006 (7:43 am)
Keep in mind that different areas of the country deal differently on different cars. Some people in the northwest have said that "Honda doesn't deal, period," which is entirely untrue. I also find that Toyota will deal, although maybe not like the Nissan dealers in your area. How else do I see Tacoma commercials from local dealers with xxx cash back and such? Check out the prices-paid forum for Tacoma - many people are paying invoice price or lower...WELL off the sticker price.
They do deal, they just didn't deal very well with you in your area.
#510 of 751 Re: Toy WON"T Deal on Tacoma! [thegraduate]
May 23, 2006 (8:41 am)
Keep in mind that dealerships are independent businesses.
When I bought my current truck, two local dealerships were not dealing, one was a bunch of stereotypical blood-sucking vultures, and the one where I purchased was terrific. My truck got swapped out of the distribution chain from one of the non-dealers. One of the non-dealer's name was on my window sticker!
I've seen similar dealer differences with every new vehicle I've purchased, Nissan, Toyota, Jeep, Mazda, Ford, and Subaru...
Except for incentives, like factory rebates and special manufacturer financing, brands don't deal at all, dealerships do.
One more point. My father knows several dealership owners. All dealers pay the same wholesale price for cars. Don't believe advertising that says otherwise.
#511 of 751 Re: Toy WON"T Deal on Tacoma! [critter1]
May 23, 2006 (11:40 am)
When I started looking at Tacomas last year before purchasing one, I started out at the Toyota dealership right down the road from me. Couldn't get the deal I wanted so I moved on to the next closest dealership, which was even worse than the first one!
Since I REALLY wanted a Tacoma, I went to the third closest dealership to me and ended up with the best car buying experience I have ever had.
Once you've made up your mind what you want, just be patient and keep trying. Every dealership is different, look around til you find the one that you're happy with.
#512 of 751 Buying or trading?
May 23, 2006 (5:10 pm)
You can get the dealer invoice price from Kelly Blue Book.
You will know exactly what they have in the vehicle.
Do your shopping/dealing the last day/days of the month.
Go late in the day and eat before you go.
Their best tools are to wear you down and know the prices that you don't. The above will help even the odds a bunch.
My understanding is that most of the Asian car dealers can't order a car just for the sake of ordering. They can only replace the cars they sold that month. Other than that it is dealer transfers. Therefore at the end of the month they want to get cars off the lot so it can be replaced with color and options they want.
If they sell a certain percentage of their inventory they may be allowed to receive extra cars.
Also the sales people get incentives when they sell over 10-12 units a month. Sales managers may also get extra incentives for the total units out the door.
Know your numbers for your trade, and the car you want, and be prepared to wear them down. You can even get 25-50% off extended warranties. Never pay for paint protection, which is a wash on product, or interior protection which is not much other than Scotch Guard! They have maybe $10 in those items and charge you hundreds.